Posts by LP97

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How Do You Answer Someone Who Says JWs Are Not False Prophets?

by minimus in

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it used to bother me that people would say that about my well meaning religion.

how do you prove that witnesses are indeed, false prophets?.

LP97

One of the ones I can't stand is that they aren't inspired, they're "spirit-directed" so therefore they're fallible.

OK, let's take that word to it's logical end. Spirit-directed = directed by holy spirit. Therefore, their actions are directed by holy spirit. Therefore, if the actions are wrong (failed predictions), does this mean the holy spirit was wrong since they directed this? Why should we trust the holy spirit since it is fallible? This shouldn't even be possible since the holy spirit is from Jehovah and Jehovah is perfect and infallible, therefore his holy spirit should be the same.

And, if the words of the organisation are fallible, why do I have to unquestioningly obey them? After all, their predictions have a 100% FAILURE RATE. If a fallible person made predictions that had a 100% failure rate, then I wouldn't trust them. Why should "God's organisation" be any different?

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Attracting young ones to the org

by Gratefullyunstuck in

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noticing a lot of posts and behaviours of the org that they seem to be trying to appeal to the younger generation.

im wondering if they are jumping on the back of a popular young clothing brand called jack wills.. a lot of their clothes have jw logo on them.

i wonder when searching this logo 'jw' on internet, where the search takes them?....................hmmmmmm!.

LP97

The WTS HQ is surely aware of the number of youths that abandon the religion of their parents. Two out of every three (2/3) born-ins leave. You've got to remember that the born-ins are their top recruitment source since knocking on the door of empty houses and drinking coffee at Starbucks isn't really resulting in (m)any conversions from the "Field".

I see great efforts to use young people (mainly young men) in Cong activities to get them involved and to give them a feeling of being needed. Get them baptized soon so they had use the threat of shunning as a hammer to control them later.

Doc

I recently remembered that study finding that 2/3 born ins leave was published in 2008...and they introduced Family Worship Evening in 2009.

Coincidence? I think not.

The WTS has to become more "liberal" in order to keep the youths in. It's why they've become acceptive of social media in the last few years when in 2008 or whatever you might have received some counsel. This cult is now at a choice, it either has to loosen up to keep members at the risk of becoming just another denomination, or tighten up and go into super-cult mode where the fence sitters get scared off. I really hope it's the former.

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Study Article In 15/2/15 WT Praises Peace in Twentieth Century

by BluesBrother in

for a hundred years or so the wts has been drumming into it's readers that these are "critical times" and the "last days" are marked by warfare , destruction & bloodshed.

a typical quote might be this :.

wt 1996 4/1 p 19. that an age of turmoil dawned early in the 20th century has been acknowledged by many.

LP97

I think the WTS may be beginning to drop the whole "Armageddon's just around the corner" and instead just say that it'll come whenever Jehovah wills it. I remember Lett on JW Broadcasting said that today's youngsters are the elders of tomorrow or something along those lines...I think they are beginning to accept they can't just constantly say "it's coming any day now" because as time passes people will start to see through it.

I don't know if this article indicates that by them actually acknowledging that life in the past 100 years has actually been pretty good for humanity, and much better than past centuries which any human with a logical mind and knowledge of history can probably figure out.

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Zone Visit: An Announcement That Will "Test Your Faith"

by breakfast of champions in

this is the scuttlebutt in one of the "bethel congregations" by us.. no details as to exactly what this "faith-testing" announcement might be.. anyone else hear any of this pre-zone visit hype?.

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LP97

Some of the comments from jwtalk...

A regular brother would get stoned if he gave a public talk like that. Only a GB member could do that.

That says a lot about the R&F's unquestioning obedience to their leaders. Comments that are offensive coming from an ordinary Witness are gospel when they come out of the mouths of the GB...they can get away saying anything they want.

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Child sex abuse cases mentioned at weekly meeting?

by HeyThere in

okay, tonight someone told me that one of the elders actually addressed the child sex abuse cases at the weeknight meeting this past week.

she said the speaker said that accusations are being made against the truth but that they should stand firm in the truth and that they are going to continue fighting these allegations and that all should stand firm for jehovah or some similar comments.... did anyone else hear this from the stage?.

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LP97

It's a bit more than "allegations"...a judgment has already been made, as anyone who bothered to look at the news about it will know.

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Can someone please explain this to me.....

by AlwaysBusy in

if someone has time, please look at the child abuse policy...is this true?

does anyone know anything about this site?

i am really trying to understand and find out what is truth and what is fiction.

LP97

This is quite coincidential, I just read a big long comment from an apologist who used this thirdwitness site quite a bit (it might be the person who runs the site in fact) on the Jehovah's Witnesses: In-depth Look video (it's a very good 1hr 40mins summary of the JWs in a university lecture, I recommend you check it out).

They had a very interesting defence of Russell by claiming that after 1904 he abandoned Barbour's view that the end would come in 1914 and that he didn't do prophesying, but rather it was just his thoughts. But a quote from June 15 Watchtower 1911 alone destroys his claim: "October, 1914, will witness the full end of Babylon, "as a great millstone cast into the sea," utterly destroyed as a system.". And then there's another one from July 15 1906: "the truths I present, as God's mouthpiece". One of the quotes he used ever indicated he interpreted and understood prophecy that was already there...so this was the failing of Jehovah/Jesus, not Russell? If he is God's mouthpiece, then his words should be fulfilled. And they weren't. Simple as that. His defense, while better than most apologists, is still poor.

He also claimed that the two witness rule was OK because it's in the Bible, so we follow the Bible and therefore it's right. So he's perfectly happy with a policy that leads to child abuse because...the Bible says so. Can't really argue with that logic. Of course, there are plenty of things in the Bible that JWs don't follow, such as Jesus being the mediator for all which is clearly indicated through a number of scriptures.

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Door To Door: Meet The Father Daughter Team Of Jehovah's Witnesses

by Bangalore in

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friends

door to door: meet the father daughter team of jehovah's witnesses.. .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ismt6inuklg.

bangalore.

LP97

Studied the Bible for herself? So she's read it cover to cover without any WTS publications to "guide" her thinking? I highly doubt that. She also says the "good people" will survive and the "bad people" won't, so what defines "good" and "bad"? Please, tell me more...

The R&F seem to be learning the PR spin from the higher-ups...at least that woman on the Melbourne radio was honest about shunning. This is just typical PR everything's-rosy-and-wonderful in JW land.

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Anthony Morris III delivers judgement on Branch at Annual Meeting

by Listener in

this is part of the speech that anthony morris iii gave during his time in the limelight at the 2014 annual meeting.. at 3.16.32 of the recorded meeting.

"what role do those with an earthly hope play?

oh oh ho veeeery important role, very important.

LP97

According to the WT, this guy was appointed by Jesus as his "faithful and discreet slave". A guy who encourages blackmailing teenagers into baptism by withholding a driver's license, who thinks tight pants are a conspiracy designed by homosexual clothing designers, and was disliked in one of the brances he visited.

APPOINTED BY JESUS.

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Tv.jw.org - Average Jdub reaction? I'm getting NOTHING but Silence!

by 4thgen in

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hello all, as you know, when jw tv was announced, our board went wild.

many comments, much speculation and alot of negative feedback on the quality, etc.

well, what has me concerned is that i have not heard a peep from any of my connections left in kingdom-land.

LP97

The day it came out my mum was showing my grandparents how to get on it over the phone, and she watched it for about 2 minutes...since then, not a word spoken about it.

Looks like it's not creating the excitement the WTS wants it to.

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900 Top Scientists Sign Statement Skeptical of Macro-Evolution

by Perry in

we are skeptical of claims for the ability of random mutation and natural .

selection to account for the complexity of life.

careful examination of the .

LP97

Personally, I enjoy reading about recovering evolutionists far more than debating

Do you not realise how flawed that line of thought is? You are no different from someone who decides to convert to JW because of those stupid experiences in the Awake where scientists become JWs, and because scientists = smart, JWism = smart! Rather than looking at the evidence from both sides (the Borg and ex-JWs).