Posts by SAHS

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How exactly is the Holy Spirit 'directing' the WT?

by keyser soze in

it seems pretty impotent to me if it is.. let's assume, for the sake of argument, that they are merely 'spirit-directed', as opposed to 'inspired'.

and let's assume that there is even a difference(other than semantics) to begin with.

neither claim is validated by the end result.

SAHS

“Band on the Run”: “Did the Holy Spirit direct the cross and crown, the pyramid worship, the different dates for Armageddon, the child abuse, Beth Sarim, the Bethel Christmas tree?”

Good point – especially from the year 1919 onward, when the Watchtower corporation was supposed to have been officially recognized and appointed by Jehovah God through Jesus Christ as being God’s one-and-only spirit-directed organization on earth. So, you would think that after 1919 those fundamental issues of dogma and policy would have been refined, or at least straightened up somewhat. But what do we find after 1919? It’s been taking about a hundred years since then for the Watchtower organization (remember, God’s one-and-only spirit-directed organization on earth, don’t you know!) to come to terms with much of those same fundamental precepts. And lord knows how long it would take them – and God through Jesus – to substantially straighten things out to a satisfactory and logical reconciliation.

Personally, I consider myself more to be a follower of quantum physicist Stephen Hawking. But you might say, He doesn’t claim any spiritual inspiration or offer any religious direction whatsoever. . . . Precisely!

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Why Jehovah's Witnesses qualify as a Hate Group

by Watchtower-Free in

they use vile hate speech towards the victims of the cult who leave and speak out to warn others .. .

words like.

haters of god.

SAHS

“heavensgate11”: “How about the hate speeches given here at the JWN community . . . Only JWN Ex Witnesses are allowed to use profanity, . . .”

Think of it this way: If (theoretically) I were to scream and/or swear in someone’s face, that would generally be considered abusive and provocative behavior. Right? Right. Now, let’s say that the other person has just deliberately stomped as hard as he/she could on my toes. Let’s say I then screamed in the person’s face, maybe even using profanity. (I might scream something like, “What the f[iddlestick] did you do that for!?”) Now, in this case also, I’m screaming or even swearing in someone’s face. Can you spot the difference?

In this second hypothetical scenario, I am also acting in a way which would generally be considered abusive and provocative, but, this time the person has just stomped as hard as he/she could on my toes – so, in this particular instance, I am merely reacting in a natural and understandable, and to some extent even involuntary, way.

So, can you see the connection here? There are a variety of folks on this Web site, many of whom having had a wide range of experiences with the Watchtower religion, many of which being negative and hurtful. Now, when people are hurt, they naturally, and also have the right to, react by venting their emotional pain, indignation, and frustration. And, being in the free and democratic society in which we live, we can and should expect that such ones, having been ignominiously victimized, can and will express their pain and frustration. Moreover, this forum and others like it are thus appropriate and practical avenues for this expression. And to that end, being able to express one’s pain as such is cathartic, therapeutic, and efficacious, as it relieves the pain of the individual through the sharing of it among others of similar experience.

So, what may seem to you, “heavensgate11,” as being “hate speeches” on here is actually what simply amounts so people saying “Ouch!” when their toes have been painfully stomped on. Such ones need and deserve understanding. After all, it really does hurt!

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What Bomb Will Be Dropped at This Years District Convention?

by kneehighmiah in

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friends

our insightful posters on this site were able to predict the new "spirit directed" generation teachings and fds teaching even years in advance.

what bomb do you thing will be dropped this year?

i know it will be big.

SAHS

Maybe there will be yet another contribution box set up in every Kingdom Hall marked “CANDICE CONTI LEGAL EXPENSE FUND,” which will replace any special disaster relief fund. (Actually, that would be a kind of special disaster relief fund, so to speak.)

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One of the big reasons I left the JW Cult

by Still Totally ADD in

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friends

he would love to see you.

i would tell them please come out anyway he would just love to see you.

i saw the lack of love and could not believe it.

SAHS

(I tried to also increase the font size of the word “love” to size #6 (24pt), but for some reason the posting editor on this site doesn’t retain the formatting change of font size. So, please just imagine in your mind the word “love” in my above post in 24-point size.)

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What Bomb Will Be Dropped at This Years District Convention?

by kneehighmiah in

jw
friends

our insightful posters on this site were able to predict the new "spirit directed" generation teachings and fds teaching even years in advance.

what bomb do you thing will be dropped this year?

i know it will be big.

SAHS

“Oubliette”: “Elder Qualifications: you cannot have molested a child within the last 15 minutes and there must not have been a second witness”

LOL! Thanks Oubliette. I needed that laugh.

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One of the big reasons I left the JW Cult

by Still Totally ADD in

jw
friends

he would love to see you.

i would tell them please come out anyway he would just love to see you.

i saw the lack of love and could not believe it.

SAHS

Let me garnish the most important word in the above post from “LisaRose” with the bold and italics which it deserves – here it is:

“Love.”

I just had to do that, as that particular word, as simple and seemingly ubiquitous as it is, really is most profound. When you think of it, not clinking glasses, not throwing rice/confetti at weddings, not celebrating Mother’s Day or Father’s Day, not saying “lucky” or “good luck,” not masturbating (practicing “self abuse”), not running for class president in school, not buying a lottery ticket, not growing a beard, etc., etc., etc., . . . . none of all those petty, childish, ridiculous things can hold a candle or a piss in a category F5 hurricane in comparison to the very positive and mutually-beneficial – and scriptural – concept of you know what: L-O-V-E. The Watchtower corporation (organization) should go back to the ABC’s of Christianity and ‘learn what that means,’ along with mercy. As Jesus Christ would agree, that’s the real McCoy!

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Women in the WT world - International Womens Day

by JWdaughter in

so, reading the articles about outstanding women in religion who are notable during this international day of women i noticed that among the episcolpalians, the catholics, muslims, buddhists, wiccans, mormons and bahais (and other random religous leaders that happen to be female) there is not one jw woman mentioned as holding a significant position.

do you think any of them will look at the list(s) and wonder?

while barbara anderson is significant in a ministry regarding the wt, she is not listed, nor is she a jw.

SAHS

Blondie, you forgot about an influential female author: Miss Ann Eliza Brainerd, later known as Mrs. J. G. Smith, who wrote the novel Seola published in 1878. Her book was highly regarded by Watchtower President Charles Taze Russell. When it was revised and published in 1924 under the name Angels and Women, it was promoted by Watchtower Society President Joseph Franklin Rutherford. More recently, Angels and Women has been endorsed by Governing Body member Samuel Herd.

Who knows just how much of the earlier writing of the Watchtower literature was influenced by Mrs. Smith’s book. It’s interesting that President Russell thought that Jehovah God actually resides in the Pleiades, or Seven Sisters. Perhaps there is more influence of women in the Watchtower’s history than they would care to divulge.

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One of the big reasons I left the JW Cult

by Still Totally ADD in

jw
friends

he would love to see you.

i would tell them please come out anyway he would just love to see you.

i saw the lack of love and could not believe it.

SAHS

“Still Totally ADD”: Sorry to hear about your loss, and also for the cold and harrowing ordeal you had to go through in your treatment by the JWs (the one and only true religion, don’t you know!).

If the gentleman who passed away had been someone in a notable position in the WT hierarchy, such as a presiding overseer, circuit overseer, district overseer, or top-ranking lawyer in the WT legal department, then you can bet your boots and saddle that the “loving” organization (corporation) would have made a fuss over him, spreading the news, donating flowers, and having a very professional funeral program composed and run on a press, complete with a four-color photograph. But us simple rank-and-file folk are just considered the PaperMate, Kraft Dinner, Polaroid, Volkswagen/Hyundai brands of the WT organization’s corporate machine. And those of us who no longer have any real “use” to the corporation are just easily forgotten and thrown by the wayside. It truly is like a pecking order among wolves.

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Hello

by GoUnion in

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hello everyone it's nice to finally be able to post i had trouble getting emails last month and was never able to sign up.

this has been a very informative site which has really helped me grow and to think for myself.

please allow me to introduce myself.. i was born into a witness family and was baptized at a young age an was part of a small kingdom hall.

SAHS

Glad to see you here, “GoUnion”! You’re one of many, many people, growing every day, who are learning the real truth about the Watchtower religion.

Our biggest and most effective tools are facts and logic. These to the Watchtower Corporation are like daylight and holy water to a vampire. They cause both of them to crawl back into the dank corner they came from. Use them well, my friend.

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Head covering for women--how did you feel about this? Men? Women?

by humbled in

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thinking about how this felt awkward to some of us women when a bible student noticed something was "up" if a baptised brother sat in on a study.

had to reference 1 cor.

11:1-16.. i wonder if this irked any while you were still in?.

SAHS

I’ve always been quite bothered by the head covering rule. All this horseshit about women being put under the male (corporate) iron thumb is really an idea based on ancient times when a man was considered to be a woman’s owner as property, or chattel. It is so far removed from today’s progressive social and legal society that it isn’t even funny; it’s ridiculous!

The thing that really gets me angry and disturbed is that a woman can work at a job as the leader of a large company or even a major politician during the day, but then at the Kingdom Hall she is barred from even the most simple and mundane tasks such as working behind the literature counter, handling the microphones, operating the sound system, opening the doors and greeting visitors, or escorting latecomers to their seats! It doesn’t even make any logical sense. (Not too much does in the JWs’ little world, when you think of it. Blood, beards, birthdays, on and on . . . .)

Basically the only thing a woman can do there is clean the toilets and scrub the floor, and with the way they’re viewed by the WTS it’s a wonder they aren’t required to wear a head covering to do that too. Even the orthodox Jews and Muslims are more progressive in a lot of ways than the JWs.

That’s why I think that everybody in the community should be aware of all these nonsensical and controlling rules and tactics of the Watchtower religion so they will be educated and prepared before they get that seemingly benign visit from the JWs on Saturday morning. People should be able to know what they’re getting into. If people out there know all this stuff beforehand, then very few would want to join, whether man or woman.