at the international convention here i just got off the elevator with anthony morris.
he was heading to the basement and i was heading up to administration.
i rode one floor down with him before i went up to my destination.
“kneehighmiah”: “Typing this in the bathroom as I await his concluding discourse.”
Well, if Mr. Morris had farted badly while he was in the elevator with you (which I’m sure he did), then, my friend, you won’t need to wait and take in his “concluding discourse,” because you’ve already had it. His discourse would just be more of the same smell of stinking sh^t. Get out of there now, kneehighmiah! Looks like your nose has already had its fill for today.
flowers were attached to the gates of the kingdom hall--ryde i o wight uk today in memory of keith playford, who lost his life aged 28 for want of a blood transfusion.
he was survived by 2 daughters.
although this kh was no way connected with him--it is the nearest to his neice--who placed the flowers in his memory.. .
“BluesBrother”: “Should you send the pic to the local press?”
I would say that would be an excellent and most appropriate thing to do. There really should be at least some tidbits published in local “Life” sections and “Religion” sections of the newspapers, because by far the general population is unaware of this stuff going on right under their noses in their own communities.
Also, copies of both those photos should be sent to AAWA (Advocates for Awareness of Watchtower Abuses, at “http://aawa.co”), as I’m sure they could find some way to incorporate them into an item or two somewhere. Every little bit helps.
jw.org for the past year or so seems to have exploded onto the scene and going foward, to be the new name and face of the old tired and exposed jehovahs wittnesses, bible students, etc... and to the wbats for good reason!!!.
the .org in jw.org is just as important as the jw in this age of internet and information.
if you were to type jw.org or even jw alone into a search engine or directly into your internet browser (most people will type in jw.org into the internet browser, and be taken directly to the website) the first site to come up is of course the intended site, jw.org, and the websites following the initial jw.org site are uneventful, a law firm, media player, etc.
“ADJUSTMENTS”: “So to the unsuspecting 18-35 year old . . . they will totally by pass websites like this and others that expose TTATT.”
In theory – that is, according to the instructions from WTS – that is what they are supposed to do. But given all the things JWs do that they are not supposed to, at least in private, I think that it’s quite safe to say that those “18-35 year old” young folks will quite very likely discover and investigate those myriads of sites exposing TTATT.
I would imagine that at some point in time, pretty much all JWs would have done, or will do, some basic online search containing key words like “Jehovah’s Witnesses,” and then immediately get a glimpse of the items which come up pertaining to “Jehovah’s Witnesses” and “depression, mental illness, suicide, mind control, blood transfusion deaths,” etc., etc. It’s only a matter of time for them. And what they do with what they see comes up will be up to them – especially in their undisturbed private moments.
Like AMW’s John Walsh says, the WTS “can run, but [they] can’t hide.” Yes, I believe that, sure enough, everyone will get to see that other side of the coin, one way or another!
To “Quendi”:
Stop being such an old fuddy-duddy. Those newbies should feel free to post their angle too.
i realize some people feel they can't just leave the religion.
they have family, friends, position.. some elders mistakenly believe that they might be able to reform the cult from within.
the truth is, the religion is never really going to change.
My friend Charlie is always telling me, “You should just get out of that religion. Stop going to meetings. Your folks will understand.”
Then I keep telling him that I can’t just do that right now because I’m currently living with my folks. (Long story.) I keep telling him that I have already left the religion in my heart and that I will also leave it physically AS SOON AS I’M ABLE TO; i.e., as soon as I can pay off my debts so I can get my own apartment and live independently again. But my friend Charlie, who was also in the JWs from birth to about 20 years of age (he is 47 years old now), keeps telling me that I should just quit the religion, even though I am still currently living under my parents’ roof.
Charlie just doesn’t understand the dilemma which people in my situation face, with all their family members still in. It’s pretty frustrating trying to explain the concept of fading to someone who really should know better by now.
Anyway, I just had to vent about that. Sorry for that little bit of a rant.
dear brothers:.
you will be pleased to know that the governing body has approved displaying the official.
logo for jw.org on assembly halls and kingdom halls.
“leaving_quietly”:
“This is quite an about face:
km 4/09:
Is it appropriate for congregations or individuals to use the logos of legal corporations used by Jehovah’s Witnesses?
. . .
Congregations or individuals should not use logos or names of the organization’s legal entities, or variations thereof, on their Kingdom Halls, signs, letterhead, personal objects, and so forth.
. . .
The Watch Tower logo, or a variation of it, should not be used in future Kingdom Hall projects even if the Kingdom Hall is owned by a Watch Tower entity.”
“JW GoneBad”:
“What about this for a reversal:
In a Kingdom Hall, however, you will not find any of the religious emblems and fixtures typically associated with the churches of Christendom. There are no altars, images, or crosses on display. Why not? Jehovah’s Witnesses believe that the use of such items conflicts with the Bible’s command to “flee from idolatry.” (1 Corinthians 10:14; John 4:24) 5/1/2010 Watchtower pg 31 par3
This brings clearly home to us today that Jehovah’s true worshipers must free themselves of every last vestige of paganism. Images, religious emblems, altars, pictures depicting religious error—all of these must be gotten out of our affections, out of our homes, out of the New World society of Jehovah’s Christian witnesses! (3/1/68 Watchtower pg 149 par 10)”
Good catches, guys!!
dear brothers:.
you will be pleased to know that the governing body has approved displaying the official.
logo for jw.org on assembly halls and kingdom halls.
i see this is two days away...i don't have anything planned, but im open to ideas.. anybody participating in this?
if so, what are you doing?.
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If everybody were to scatter, say, just ten AAWA fliers around their local Kingdom Hall or Assembly Hall or bus stop or park, imagine what a “witness” we could give. It would be worth it if it causes even one person to wake up and be able to escape the clutches of the WT monster, before it’s too late for them.
okay, let's do a big what-if: suppose the gb for its own unfathomable reasons suddenly got new light (tm) and decided to start appointing women elders and ministerial servants.
they would, of course, refer to the examples of junia (apostle), and priscilla and phoebe (deaconesses in wordlyspeak) in the greek scriptures; never mind what mental somersaults it would take to get them there.
stranger things have happened in wt history.. that being the case, would having women in positions of real authority make any significant difference in the congos or in the borg as a whole, and why or why not?.
“Freedom77”: “Are you saying women bring nothing unique at all to their positions, that women and men are interchangeable with identical points of view on all subjects? Just askin'.”
Notice that I had said that women “basically have the same mental abilities as men.” So, I acknowledge that women, in fact, do bring somewhat of a unique insight, or “flavor,” to the table. (I suspect that it may somehow relate to their usually being slightly more left-brained and creative than right-brained and analytical, at least in a solely mechanical sense.)
“Fernando”: “Women are mostly not naturally into power, control, authority, sectarianism, fundamentalism, legalism, moralism, hypocrisy, self-righteousness and works-righteousness. Women are naturally into family, community, peace, unity, love and liberty.”
Wow, that’s quite the overgeneralization! Reading that, I’m supposing that you would also have a whole slew of stereotypical prejudices regarding race and ethnicity. To sum up that kind of thinking: Women = kitchen, man = smarter/stronger, this race = bad, that race = good. (Spoiler: Leave It to Beaver was just a TV show. The real world doesn’t actually work that way.)
okay, let's do a big what-if: suppose the gb for its own unfathomable reasons suddenly got new light (tm) and decided to start appointing women elders and ministerial servants.
they would, of course, refer to the examples of junia (apostle), and priscilla and phoebe (deaconesses in wordlyspeak) in the greek scriptures; never mind what mental somersaults it would take to get them there.
stranger things have happened in wt history.. that being the case, would having women in positions of real authority make any significant difference in the congos or in the borg as a whole, and why or why not?.
For the next consideration of the Watchtower, to be held this Sunday, July 27, 2014 (in the magazine dated May 15, 2014), on page 23, paragraph eight, it states the following:
“In addition to Israel’s numerous priests and Levites, for example, there were ‘women who were organized to serve at the entrance of the tent of meeting.’ (Ex. 38:8).” [my emphasis]
So, I guess Jehovah’s standards have changed to become even more picky since ancient Israel, because back then women could actually “serve at the entrance of the tent of meeting” but now they can’t even help out behind the literature counter, handle the microphones, or operate the sound system. Apparently now everything requires at least a “ministerial servant,” who, of course, just has to have the male plumbing equipment. Ridiculous!
I’m not a woman myself, but that whole thing regarding the treatment of women in the WTS has always made me upset. I guess because it’s just one more thing that confirms to me and reminds me that it has to be a cult.
okay, let's do a big what-if: suppose the gb for its own unfathomable reasons suddenly got new light (tm) and decided to start appointing women elders and ministerial servants.
they would, of course, refer to the examples of junia (apostle), and priscilla and phoebe (deaconesses in wordlyspeak) in the greek scriptures; never mind what mental somersaults it would take to get them there.
stranger things have happened in wt history.. that being the case, would having women in positions of real authority make any significant difference in the congos or in the borg as a whole, and why or why not?.
“Women elders, what difference would they make?”
Actually, I don’t believe that women would really make any difference at all because they basically have the same mental abilities as men. Woman are functioning quite fine in the business and political world. Contrary to Franklin Rutherford’s statement, “ What is a woman anyway, but a hank of hair and a bag of bones, ” women have more than adequately proven their abilities in this world, given a chance.
