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  Is Armageddon part of the Great Tribulation? what was WT writers word?

  by prologos in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  or put into other words:.

  is armageddon included in in "all the things" that are to come to pass during the 'generation' that jesus spoke about?.

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  The way I understand the WT’s interpretation is that the “Great Tribulation” is really referring to a complete package of items to occur right after the sufficient fulfillment of the nations ‘crying peace and security,’ beginning with the destruction of Babylon the Great by the seven-headed, ten-horned wild beast and the apparent “celestial phenomenon” to immediately follow (whether symbolic, literal, or both), and ending with the actual Armageddon. According to this, you could think of the “Great Tribulation” as being like a giant .ZIP or .RAR archive file which gets “unpacked” at that point immediately after the “peace and security” proclamation thing when Babylon the Great is about to be turned on, which then presents all the individual items, like the individual, “uncompressed” files which together formed the composite “zipped” archive file.

  In other words, the big .ZIP or .RAR self-extracting archive file is just waiting to be double-clicked by Jehovah, unpacking what is referred to by Jesus as being “all these things” when he said at Matthew 24:34: “Truly I say to you that this generation will by no means pass away until all these things happen.” (RNWT)

  Jesus said in verse 21, “. . . for then there will be great tribulation such as has not occurred since the world’s beginning until now.” Then in verses 29 and 30, he said, “Immediately after the tribulation of those days, the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. Then the sign of the Son of man will appear in heaven, and all the tribes of the earth will beat themselves in grief, and they will see the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.”

  Regarding the quote by “leaving_quietly” mentioned above, “So, the tribulation does not culminate in Armageddon, according to Jesus. Right AFTER the tribulation, is when signs in heaven will be and when the "second coming" occurs,” that could not be correct. A correct rendering of that would read: “Right AFTER that specific part of the tribulation, . . .”; i.e., right after that initial phase of the Great Tribulation when Babyon the Great is to be turned on. The Great Tribulation refers to the whole thing – including Armageddon as the very last part of it.
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  The did it to me again... TOOK my wife, My Life, Family and Friends, this time I'm fighting fire with fire

  by Greybeard in

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  2. friends

  baa bull onn (knock knock).

  baa bull onn (knock knock).

  baa bull onn (knock knock).

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  “Greybeard”: “I believe in Cannabis . . . If it wasn't for Cannabis, I would not be able to do any of this . . .”

  I can tell.
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  The "Preaching" Work As A Dead Parrot

  by metatron in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/dead_parrot_sketch.

  inspired by a car salesman.

  as with john cleese's apoplectic performance, there is never any admission that the "preaching" work, door to door in particular, is dead and has been for some time.

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  “NewYork44M”: “The field service used to be a revenue center - selling magazines. Now, it is a cost center - every magazine given away is a cost.”

  It may appear that the magazines just represent a cost because of so many being given away, but don’t forget this: the WTS gets revenue from any donations received out in the field service plus donations for each of the magazines from the publishers in the contribution box labelled “Worldwide Work,” plus the funds deposited into the other contribution boxes, such as the ones labelled something sort of like “Kingdom Hall Construction/Regional Building Committe Fund,” and “Local Kingdom Hall Expense Fund.”

  So, the WTS certainly doesn’t depend on the donations from householders out in the field service. They already have things covered from all those other constant donations, or “contributions,” from each of the rank and file members.
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  GOVERNING BODY PATTERNS OF DECEPTION

  by Terry in

  1. jw
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  pattern of excuses.

  " zion's watch tower 1894 jul 15 p.226.

  (compare isaiah 8:11-13.

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  “b00mslang”: “@Apognophos Was that supposed to be a Portal Vid?

  It's a great game but it makes me pine for some HL3. Dying to see if GLaDOS is on the Borealis. Replayed all of them last month (HL, Opposing Force, Blue Shift, Uplink, HL2, Ep1, Ep2). Might replay Azure Sheep and Todesangst (SP mods).”

  Is that English?
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  GOVERNING BODY PATTERNS OF DECEPTION

  by Terry in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  pattern of excuses.

  " zion's watch tower 1894 jul 15 p.226.

  (compare isaiah 8:11-13.

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  “Finkelstein”: “. . . strong arm tactics to make sure everyone agrees and answers yes. . . Read the information, then read the question that has the answer within the information, walk out of the Kingdom Hall spiritually brainwashed.”

  This sure brings to mind the famous psychology experiment by Solomon Asch, which demonstrated the power of conformity in groups:

  http://psychology.about.com/od/classicpsychologystudies/p/conformity.htm
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  The "Preaching" Work As A Dead Parrot

  by metatron in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/dead_parrot_sketch.

  inspired by a car salesman.

  as with john cleese's apoplectic performance, there is never any admission that the "preaching" work, door to door in particular, is dead and has been for some time.

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  The door-to-door preaching work is really a tool to reinforce the idea for individual JWs that they are “on the right track” for salvation because, after all, they can say to themselves, “Well, it’s far more than just me doing it – there’s almost eight million of us all doing it together worldwide!”
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  GOVERNING BODY PATTERNS OF DECEPTION

  by Terry in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  pattern of excuses.

  " zion's watch tower 1894 jul 15 p.226.

  (compare isaiah 8:11-13.

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  SAHS

  To “Terry”:

  Excellent synopsis of the long-standing failures of the WTS, as evidenced by that all-pervasive thing – what is it? Oh, yes, LOGIC.

  “A person might renounce his place in the Christian congregation by his actions, such as becoming part of an organisation whose objective is contrary to the Bible, and hence is under judgement by Jehovah God.”

  Oh, my God! Can anybody say “UN membership?”

  Excellent exposé, Terry. That should tell the story for anyone.
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  Trademark office rejects Watchtower's application for "JW.Org" logo

  by AndDontCallMeShirley in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  http://tsdr.uspto.gov/#casenumber=85896124&casetype=serial_no&searchtype=statussearch.

  even though watchtower's application has been rejected, they will be allowed to use the logo because it is for religious usage and will not be confused with commercial products.. the trademark office did note this:.

  indeed, numerous other marks are registered reflecting the letters j and w:.

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  “AlphaMan”: “Why would Jehovah's "holy spirit" lead the Organization to develop the awe-inspiring JW.Org logo for trademark approval and not even have the foresight to see the TM Office would disprove it?”

  Exactly!!!

  “AndDontCallMeShirley”: “Plan B: change the logo to what is really desired: "GB.Org".”

  That’s really about it!
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  What's The Basic Vibe of Jehovah's Witnesses These Days?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  do you think they are zealous?.

  happy, joyful?.

  pessimistic, depressed?.

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  SAHS

  “WTWizard" has a good point regarding people’s propensity to “cross-reference things.” This, in the end, will be the significant deciding factor, regardless of whatever vibes are attempted to be pushed down the pike from the WTS pedestal.
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  The "Preaching" Work As A Dead Parrot

  by metatron in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/dead_parrot_sketch.

  inspired by a car salesman.

  as with john cleese's apoplectic performance, there is never any admission that the "preaching" work, door to door in particular, is dead and has been for some time.

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  SAHS

  As far as a “tipping point,” I would think that it could only apply to each JW on an individual basis, and perhaps eventually to the entire rank-and- file JW community as a whole (long way off, though – don’t hold your breath). But as for any major “tipping point” on the core policies of the WTS (blood, disfellowshipping, beards, birthdays, etc.), I can’t really see it happening. I think the whole WT enterprise would be forced to either change or be shut down by the government (can anybody say “1918”?) before the WTS would change their draconian measures on their own.