Is Armageddon part of the Great Tribulation? what was WT writers word?

prologos

or put into other words:

Is Armageddon included in in "all the things" that are to come to pass during the 'Generation' that Jesus spoke about?

The Bible was written for Gentiles, those they want to deceive. The Bible is full of lies, plagarism (that is, copied from other nations and culturesl) and deception. Armageddon is one of those teachings that are deceptive, and it's meant to keep you and me in line and obedient. The world is having wars here and there all right, and may be gearing up for WW3, so that's going to be a terrible time. Look into the history of Europe during WW2, that may be coming this way because the same demons exist. But Armageddon from "God" isn't going to happen.

prologos

jeanette, merci, I was only trying to pin down what was written on it, to find another angle to prove the very point you are making.

wt writers use very cagey wordings, legalese to hide facts and allow multiple interpretations.

Jeannette

Sorry, Pro, I guess I got carried away. Someone else can help you with the specifics, I can't because I'm so sick of the Watchtower and Awake that I don't want to read one sentence or do any digging anymore. I wasted 40 years of my life reading them and reading the Bible thinking it was the true God's inspired word only to find out I was deceived and the Bible is a fraud. Sorry, folks, but it is. Some good teaching from it probably came from Babylon or Egypt that they plagarized. Oh, I need to get out in the garden. Bye.

zeb

The wt is far more concerned with losing court cases than any coming world politcal/military disaster.

leaving_quietly

*** w08 5/15 p. 16 par. 19 Deliverance by God’s Kingdom Is at Hand! ***
When we remember that on one occasion it took just one angel only a single night to “strike down a hundred and eighty-five thousand” of God’s enemies, we can be confident that the heavenly army will easily destroy every vestige of Satan’s system on earth as the great tribulation culminates in Armageddon.

This, of course, flies in the face of scripture.

Matt 24:29:
“Immediately after the tribulation of those days, the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.

Vanderhoven7

LQ:" This, of course, flies in the face of scripture."

How so?

leaving_quietly

I should have put more of the passage there.

(Matthew 24:29-31) “Immediately after the tribulation of those days, the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 Then the sign of the Son of man will appear in heaven, and all the tribes of the earth will beat themselves in grief, and they will see the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he will send out his angels with a great trumpet sound, and they will gather his chosen ones together from the four winds, from one extremity of the heavens to their other extremity."

So, the tribulation does not culminate in Armageddon, according to Jesus. Right AFTER the tribulation, is when signs in heaven will be and when the "second coming" occurs.

It's possible that Armageddon comes after that. It's also possible that what WT refers to as the final test at the end of the 1000 years in Rev 20:8 is actually what Armageddon refers to. I'm not so certain about that, but it's something that some feel could be the case.

prologos

leaving quietly: " -- GT culminates in Armageddon--" so does that mean wt doctrine is that A is part of the GT?

the question is similar to:

"--AT the end of the 1000 years Satan will be loosed--" rather then the biblical "--AFTER the 1000 years ARE ended---"

it matters

for some.

leaving_quietly

leaving quietly: " -- GT culminates in Armageddon--" so does that mean wt doctrine is that A is part of the GT?

Yes. More recently, the doctrine changed slightly, but with a similar thought:

*** w13 7/15 p. 5 par. 8 “Tell Us, When Will These Things Be?” ***
What happens after the initial part of the great tribulation has passed? Jesus’ words indicate that there will be a period of time that will last until the start of Armageddon. What events will occur during that interval? The answer is recorded at Ezekiel 38:14-16 and Matthew 24:29-31. (Read.) After that, we will witness Armageddon, the climax of the great tribulation, which parallels Jerusalem’s destruction in 70 C.E. (Mal. 4:1) With the battle of Armageddon as its climax, that coming great tribulation will be unique—an event “such as has not occurred since the world’s beginning.” (Matt. 24:21) When it has passed, Christ’s Millennial Rule will begin.

So, in their view, the GT doesn't end. It has phases, a start, a lull (which is apparently when the second coming is) and then Armageddon. But, Armageddon is still PART OF the great tribulation.

Is Armageddon part of the Great Tribulation? what was WT writers word?

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