Posts by SAHS

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The Watchtower are Right About Blood...

by cofty in

... but, they fail to take note of one important detail.. i believe that if we are going to have any chance of reasoning with a jw about blood, this is the place we need to begin.. don't try to convince them that it was only a dietary law.

it wasn't, and they will never go along with it.. don't tell them that saving a life is more important than obeying a law, even a seemingly trivial one.

they take pride in obedience.

SAHS

“FayeDunaway”: “Blood is sacred because it represents life. Life is so sacred we should do anything to save it. Including using blood to save life. This is actually the most respectful way we could treat blood, to use it to save life. It's what blood is for, to preserve life. If you take a life, you are blood guilty. If you let someone die because they need blood, you are blood guilty. . . . It is disrespectful to let someone die and not use the lifesaving gift of blood.”

Now, that is the most plain, simple yet powerful logic I have read yet in this thread. It’s what we are all thinking, and it’s the simple, logical truth with which any person having any sense at all would readily agree. To anybody outside of the JWs (including even the strictest Orthodox Jews, for God’s sake!), anything beyond that would have to appear as just nonsensical, whacky gibberish. Although, when you think about it, what else would you expect from an arrogant and self-serving cult?

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WATCHTOWER NINCOMPOOP BLOOD fetish

by Terry in

the inhumane hunters in pagan tribes who felled an animal in the wild with an arrow and immediately began.

hacking off body parts for roasting, gave zero attention to the pain or suffering inflicted upon the poor creaturedying in front of them.

animal rights activists were unknown in ancient times!

SAHS

Excellent reasoning, as usual, Terry! JWs just fail to see the simple logic in all of this because they’re stuck on the belief that their golden calf organization is always right now matter what. The shocking, perplexing, and just plain sad part about it all is that they think that all those dead young children and babies (essentially murdered methodically and systematically by the wilful and culpable dictates of a pseudo-Christian cult) are just, well, quite fine and dandy – that is, versus ignoring a specific legal precept from an ancient Jewish Law, supposedly applicable to the JWs today and which is interpreted incorrectly by an obviously man-made sect in New York. But, I guess, the slaughter of the poor little sheep will continue as long as our free secular society continues to allow it.

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Broadcasting a message to doubting JWs on their way to the convention about Watchtower pedophilia coverups

by lambsbottom in

from exjw reddit:.

broadcasting a message to doubting jws on their way to the convention about watchtower pedophilia coverups: $3,272.

saving one child from abuse: priceless.

SAHS

OK, I got that latest link to work. At first, it took me to a Web page where you can download some mobile app, but I just had to tap on the part at the top which says something like, “Continue to mobile site --->,” and then I could get to it OK.

I'd like to apologize for saying that it’s not worth it. I was already a bit frustrated at the time. The linked Web page definitely IS worth it, and I hope plenty of people see it! Take care, and thanks for sharing the link.

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The Watchtower are Right About Blood...

by cofty in

... but, they fail to take note of one important detail.. i believe that if we are going to have any chance of reasoning with a jw about blood, this is the place we need to begin.. don't try to convince them that it was only a dietary law.

it wasn't, and they will never go along with it.. don't tell them that saving a life is more important than obeying a law, even a seemingly trivial one.

they take pride in obedience.

SAHS

One thing that always brings to my mind is: Jesus’ words at Matthew 8:13: “Go, then, and learn what this means: ‘I want mercy, and not sacrifice.’+ For I came to call, not righteous people, but sinners.”

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The Watchtower are Right About Blood...

by cofty in

... but, they fail to take note of one important detail.. i believe that if we are going to have any chance of reasoning with a jw about blood, this is the place we need to begin.. don't try to convince them that it was only a dietary law.

it wasn't, and they will never go along with it.. don't tell them that saving a life is more important than obeying a law, even a seemingly trivial one.

they take pride in obedience.

SAHS

Matt 12:11. "Who will be the man among you that has one sheep and, if this falls into a pit on the sabbath, will not get hold of it and lift it out?”

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Broadcasting a message to doubting JWs on their way to the convention about Watchtower pedophilia coverups

by lambsbottom in

from exjw reddit:.

broadcasting a message to doubting jws on their way to the convention about watchtower pedophilia coverups: $3,272.

saving one child from abuse: priceless.

SAHS

All I get when I click in the link is some annoying and shitty link to nowhere: “https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/ttatt-billboard-outside-belton-tx-jw-conventions” – it’s not worth it, folks!

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OMG! This is incredible!!

by ILoveTTATT2 in

jw
friends

reuters - april 1st, 2015, new york.

cults merge in a $10 billion transaction.

the cults known as "jehovah's witnesses" and "scientology" announced on wednesday their merger.. observers on both religions are shocked.. "i can't believe that they would do that!

SAHS

And I’m a mindreading eight-armed bisexual alien from mars. Happy April Fools’ Day to you too, man.

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Ex-Christians being angry

by Jonathan Drake in

jw
friends

i know i'm angry.

i was curious if others are too.

i feel completely justified in my anger as well.

SAHS

I found that after proving undoubtedly to myself that the WT “religion” in particular is nothing more than pure charlatanry, I then began a methodical yet purposeful scientific/logical process of realization that ALL this world’s religions are based solely on pure falsehoods. That’s right, ALL of them!

Biologically sentient beings started believing in an ancient desert warrior god (Yaweh), and then this philosophical hippie Jesus guy apparently came on the scene and introduced a new religious movement, which, with the help of the Roman Emporer Constantine, became their new “state religion.”

Now, just as there are Greek philosophy, Roman philosophy, Egyptian philosophy, Babylonian philosophy, Hindu Indian philosophy, native Indian philosophy, etc., there is also what I call “Christian philosophy” – i.e., Jusus.

So, if one were to challenge all the other “philosophies,” then they should also challenge the prevailing “Christian philosophy” – i.e., God’s Son, Jesus Christ, supposedly coming to earth by being born of a virgin jewess, performing gratuitous “miracles,” being resurrected, and then physically ascending to heaven. No matter how you look at it, all religion in general is really nothing more than a poignant projection of the defects of character common to all us mammal primates.

If you ask me, I say that ALL religion is just infantile and self-serving horseshit!

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Religious Freedom Laws...

by wisdomfrombelow in

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friends

i wonder if the religious freedom laws would allow active jws to discriminate against former jws?

could a business owner decide not to serve or sell to someone they consider "apostate" according to their beliefs?

if so it could take shunning to a whole new level in some states.

SAHS

Church and state are now separate entities – and for a reason. The government (especially in the USA, as well as here in Canada) is rightly advocating basic human and civil rights across the board, enforceable by popular abd prevailing law. But as for the various religious institutions and movements, I think that they, being as they are detached from any palpable position of administering legally culpability, also have the right to dictate their own unique and peculiar brand of arbitrary ecclesiastical policy upon their members. Now, if one were to differ from such ecclesiastical – religious – dictates of policy, then they always have the option to simply leave that partucular religious affinity for that of another. But as for the extremist disfellowshipping mandates of cults such as the WT organization, the choice to allign with and comply with such mandates is, unfortunately, the privilege enjoyed by – and legally guaranteed by – its membership.

It’s a definite balancing act between allotting reasonable humanist laws by the state government guaranteeing fundamental rights and guaranteeing reasonable concessions and protection to all the various religious institutions and movements.

Basically, as I see it – as distasteful as it may be to some – if you don’t like any particular religious movement, then leave it and find another one. But, most unfortunately, if that would result in an extremest form of shunning, there’s really not much that can be done regarding the complicity of such shunning by family and friends. Although . . . . , fortunately, it is legitimately well within the auspices of all citizens of the “free world” to thoroughly expose the facts surrounding any such religious – or governmental, for that matter – entities to everyone.

So, basically, if you don’t like any religion, then just leave it. But if you can’t leave it without extremist sanctions (i.e., disfellowshipping/shunning), then thoroughly expose it – that’s your right too!

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I've decided to officially disassociate myself

by Garrett in

jw
friends

hey guys, .

i just wanted to thank you all for all of your input, support and help over the past few months.

i've decided to officially disassociate myself from the organization and move on with my life.

SAHS

Congratulations, Garrett! I’m always glad to hear about someone like you who has the gumption and personal fortitude to break out of a silly and obviously man-made society such as the WT organization/corporation. I believe you’ve certainly done the right thing. Sending a letter of disassociation to those clowns in New York who think they’re really something when they’re really nothing is actually a laudable action in that you are being true to yourself and innate human dignity in standing up to what is really nothing more than classic charlatanry. Once again, congratulations!