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FlyingHighNow
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Dead pregnant woman forced to stay on life support, due to TX State law
by adamah inthere's an interesting medicolegal issue arising out of tx, a pregnant women who suffered a pulmonary embolism in november and died (when she was 14 weeks pregnant).. however, the body has been kept on life-support all this time (against her and her husband's wishes), due to an ambiguous tx state law (tex hs.
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166.049) which actually blocks the ability of the patient and family to decide:.
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FlyingHighNow
There has to be more to this JT, or the hospital wouldn't put its self at risk in court.
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Did You Ever Hear An Elder or Bethelite's Comments That Made You Question ??
by minimus inyears ago, the society's speakers used to give many off the cuff statements.
a lot of personal opinions and questionable remarks.. anything ever stand out for you in this area?.
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I just remembered being at circuit assembly in Midland, Texas. One of the speakers said that married couples should not hug, kiss or have their arms around each other in public. He said that they could excite single JWs and teenagers and be a damaging example. Just then you saw many husbands' arms come off the backs of the seats of their wives. At the break, there were angry and crying sisters in the bathroom. It was the buzz of every conversation, even on the ride home in our group. The next day, that brother had to go before us and not only make a retraction, but apologize to all of us. When something like that happens, you see how much opinion really governs the behavior of the JWs.
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Did You Ever Hear An Elder or Bethelite's Comments That Made You Question ??
by minimus inyears ago, the society's speakers used to give many off the cuff statements.
a lot of personal opinions and questionable remarks.. anything ever stand out for you in this area?.
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FlyingHighNow
I heard too many.
One thing that really upset me. An older elder made a request for people to come to help clean the hall on the next Saturday. He said that the same one or two people were showing up each week and really, it wasn't fair to them to clean the hall every Saturday with out help. After the meeting, his wife walked up the aisle to meet him. He wrapped his arm around his shoulder and said to her, in a very irritated tone, "These people. These people who don't show up to clean the Kingdom Hall are going to be in for a terrible shock when it comes time for Armageddon. They think they're going to survive...." I went home very depressed at the thought that Jehovah could be that cold blooded towards his servants. That just ended up on my list of things that made me go hmmm, which by then had become a folder. You get enough of those things on your list and you end up vulnerable to the truth about the truth.
The Revelation/Climax book and it's application of so many of the symbols to the governing body or the organization seemed pretty out there to me. I remember thinking, "That sounds contrived. How do they know that? They admit they are not inspired of God."
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Death Rituals . . . which do you prefer?
by skeeter1 ini was listening to dr. radio.
a lady mortician was on.
it was morbid, but wanted to share what she said.
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FlyingHighNow
Natural burial, without embalming. Cloth around the body and put in a deep grave. How it's done in many other parts of the world for centuries. Allows the body to return to earth the most naturally. Your bacteria live on. Alot cheaper, but can't be done in many places! She was saying that in many places, you have to own 5+ acres and then have to check your state/local ordinances.
Problems with cloth wrapped bodies came in during the yellow fever epidemic, where victims had to be buried above ground to keep the water tables from becoming infected. Along the gulf coast of the USA, you can hit water when you dig 2 or 3 feet down. I remember seeing my brothers hit water when they were digging in the woods behind our house in coastal Louisiana. Previously to that, we lived in Mobile, AL. There is a cemetery downtown where many yellow fever victims are buried above ground. New Orleans has cemeteries with above ground graves that you've likely seen on TV and in movies.
We do cremation in our family. There was a documentary on PBS about caring for your own dead, which is legal in some states. It discussed how caring for the dead was taken out of the hands of the family and friends and placed in the hands of the undertaker. There is a certain healing that takes place when families are allowed, often with the help of friends, to bathe, dress and lay out their loved ones. Some people in the documentary did care for their dead, without embalming them and without immediate burial or cremation. It seemed much more comforting to the families and friends. Terminal patients who were choosing to die at home and then be prepared for burial or cremation by family and/or friends, seemed to be helped by the idea of not being given into the hands of strangers. Under some circumstances, bodies can last up to three days, without embalming, before the need for burial or cremation.
You can check with the local Memorial Society to see what practices are legal in your state, for the burial or cremation of the dead.
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Dead pregnant woman forced to stay on life support, due to TX State law
by adamah inthere's an interesting medicolegal issue arising out of tx, a pregnant women who suffered a pulmonary embolism in november and died (when she was 14 weeks pregnant).. however, the body has been kept on life-support all this time (against her and her husband's wishes), due to an ambiguous tx state law (tex hs.
code ann.
166.049) which actually blocks the ability of the patient and family to decide:.
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FlyingHighNow
The Texas Advance Directives Act, Section 166.049, provides that "a person may not withdraw or withhold life-sustaining treatment under this subchapter from a pregnant patient."
Look, if I was in the shoes of the husband or family, I truly do not know how I would feel. I haven't been in this situation.
Getting back to the law though: in the above quote, the Texas Advance Directive specifically mentions that the patient is pregnant. Why does there need to be a mention of prenancy, if there is no difference, legally, between a brain dead pregnant woman or one who is not pregnant? There is a difference.
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Prayers that God answers. Any examples?
by punkofnice inwhen i believed in god i tried not to pray for anything selfish.. after a while i began to think that a lot of things i was asking my imaginary friend in the sky for were selfish for some reason.. i do not ever remember a single thing i prayed for ever being answered.
if there was the appearance of an answer it was because i did mental gymnastics to make it fit the delusion that god had actually answered me.
there was never an obvious message/answer from god.
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FlyingHighNow
Yes, I have had prayers answered in concrete, provable uncanny ways, but don't care to discuss it.
The thing is, who knows that God himself answers prayers? Seriously, I don't really know the answers but some speculation or flight of fancy would bring one idea to mind, this is slightly tongue in cheek: perhaps there is someone looking after you, maybe even a staff of people looking after you, in charge of your prayers.
Scenario: you are playing baseball on a team and you pray for your team to win. Someone on the other team prays for his team to win. His staff is bigger and better than your staff, so his team wins. Maybe your staff hates baseball and wishes you did, too, so they make sure your team doesn't win. Maybe your team needs so many votes/prayers in order to act. Maybe the game goes to the team with the majority of people praying for its victory. Maybe your staff is addicted to Candy Crush Saga. A humorous example to show that prayer would not be a simple, you ask for it/you get it. I'm not a Christian. I'm a universalist. Yes, I do pray sometimes. No, I don't have the understanding of prayer that fundamentalist Christians do.
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Dead pregnant woman forced to stay on life support, due to TX State law
by adamah inthere's an interesting medicolegal issue arising out of tx, a pregnant women who suffered a pulmonary embolism in november and died (when she was 14 weeks pregnant).. however, the body has been kept on life-support all this time (against her and her husband's wishes), due to an ambiguous tx state law (tex hs.
code ann.
166.049) which actually blocks the ability of the patient and family to decide:.
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FlyingHighNow
If this dead womans own parents and her loving husband think she should be off life support, how the hell do any of you even feel comfortable giving your opinions? Must be due to years of being told everyone else is wrong, and its up to the small minority with morals to uphold the standard.
You forgot to include the living 21 week old fetus here. Why are you bringing morals into this argument? There is a law in Texas, and possibly others of the 50 states, which states that if a woman is pregnant, deceased, but her fetus is not deceased, the rights of the fetus over ride the rights of the deceased woman and probably in this case, the wishes of the spouse and family. Who is discussing morals? This is the law. I'd like to know how many other states and countries have similar laws.
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Dead pregnant woman forced to stay on life support, due to TX State law
by adamah inthere's an interesting medicolegal issue arising out of tx, a pregnant women who suffered a pulmonary embolism in november and died (when she was 14 weeks pregnant).. however, the body has been kept on life-support all this time (against her and her husband's wishes), due to an ambiguous tx state law (tex hs.
code ann.
166.049) which actually blocks the ability of the patient and family to decide:.
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FlyingHighNow
Nicely done FHN. You derailed the argument into an unrelated appeal to emotion, the very thing of which you accused me.
Where did I accuse you of derailing the conversation? And why did you go on, after this comment, with a several paragraph comment, if you are truly indignant? I suggest trying some relaxation techniques, such as breathing exercises, a hunk of dark chocolate, a walk, put on some good music and dance, etc. Works for me when I get worked up. This is a discussion on an internet forum, not a UN policy making conference. To read the emotion you're putting into your comments, one might think you've had a pregnant mate on life support or maybe you have an anxiety disorder or something. Calm down, please. It's easier to take you seriously when you don't sound irate.
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This site has been going for 13 years. Did you ever at one point fear armageddon?
by ILoveTTATT ini am just wondering about all of you who have been on this site for long.
in all of the events that have happened since 2000 (for example, september 11th), have you at any point, even you die-hard apostates, felt like "oooh sh!t... i should go back to the kh"... just to have the world survive the latest disaster?.
what was the worst event for you, in terms of saying... "did i mess up???
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FlyingHighNow
I haven't worried about the big A since the very early 90s. Even then, I felt like Jehovah didn't deserve to be served, so the big A was worth freedom and happiness. By the time I found JWD, I knew the WTBTS was false in its claim to be God's org.