It was Satan who maneuvered the things this way. Similar to what happened to Job. God withdrew at that point, He allowed that Jesus would be killed but it was not Him who directed the torture.
Satan was hoping Jesus would become unfaithful.
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why did the sacrafice have to be so BRUTAL
by Tater-T inwhy did the sacrifice have to be so brutal... i mean what value does that add to the equation of justice.couldn't he jesus have came down and just been slaughtered like a regular sacrifice without the brutal torture.why is justice served by brutalityanyone anyone bueller... lolnow you know i don't like to type for hours but this is always bothered me
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Crazyguy is going batshit crazy a Rant
by Crazyguy inyesterday some jw's came over to my house and were even being nice to me, most of the time if they do come by an elder or ms may say something but the others will not, its even hard for them to say just hello (how pathetic).
( they also do this behind my back as if i don't know).
i now realize by not being their i've handed my kids right over to them!.
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paradisebeauty
I believe you need to take a different approach.
Try to show the kids Bible verses that the jw's interpret wrong. The jw's have a few doctrines according to the Bible and some doctrines that are totally against the Bible.
A person who studies the Bible will never believe you if you say "God does not exist" but will think twice if you say "look what the Bible says here".
Even if you do not believe in God anymore, do some research on this to help your kids.
here are some resourses:
http://www.biblicaltruthseekers.co.uk/
the site above even has a section dedicated to jw's - and where they are wrong
Another resourse:
Contact me if you need help.
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What did early Christians believe about the dead?
by fulltimestudent inas witnesses we were truly convinced that we knew the truth about the dead.
they were truly dead, and we often quoted ecclesiastes 9:4-6, our favourite proof text on that topic, to prove the point.
that text reads (just in case you've already forgotten it - smile), (from the niv):.
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paradisebeauty
The jw's are wrong on many doctrine, but I do not think they are wrong on the "life after death" separated from the body doctrine.
For reference, you might want to check other scholars opinion on this, too:
http://www.focusonthekingdom.org/articles/what%20happens%20when%20we%20die.pdf
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Pioneering
by Sabin ini`ve heard many pioneers claim that they are deserving of material things because they are the ones who make all the sacrifices.
one claimed that jehovah had made sure that she got absolutely everything she wanted right down to shelfs so she could put up pic`s of her family because, to quote "we are so deserving, we`ve made the sacrifice".
mind you this is the same sister who told me "it`s harder for me having my son d.fs than for a mother loosing her child in death".
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paradisebeauty
"we are so deserving, we`ve made the sacrifice"
this sounds so much like:
The Pharisee,standing by himself, prayed[a] thus: ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other men, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even like this tax collector. 12 I fast twice a week; I give tithes of all that I get.’ 13 But the tax collector, standing far off, would not even lift up his eyes to heaven, but beat his breast, saying, ‘God,be merciful to me, a sinner!’ 14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified, rather than the other. For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, but the one who humbles himself will be exalted.”
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New convention theme
by StarTrekAngel injust wanted to post here real quick, as many have joked about it.
we had an announcement in our cong last week about the upcoming one day assembly.
the title of the assembly is "imitate jehovah".
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paradisebeauty
is there a Bible verse that says that?
Or are they heading for trinity? Imitate Jesus, then imitate Jehovah, then Jehovah and Jesus are one ....
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Wife Equates Having A Good Marriage With Being "Spiritual"
by JW_Rogue inso i've noticed lately that my wife seems to think that in order to have a good marriage both people must be "spiritual".
she thinks being close as a family is all about family worship night, field service and praying together.
i know where these ideas are coming from but it is very hard to combat them.
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paradisebeauty
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2016 SPECIAL TALK---ARE YOU ON THE ROAD TO EVERLASTING LIFE?
by suavojr inare you on the road to everlasting life?.
note to the speaker: help bible students and interested ones to understand why and how to make further spiritual progress..
emphasize the many sources of help available, and warmly encourage them to act without delay.
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paradisebeauty
Begin by building faith based on accurate Bible knowledge --> do they have accurate Bible knowledge???
We need strong confidence in the Bible to choose a path contrary to the one followed by others around us ---> but why to they demand compliance to all the organization's believes and practices? even to those not based on the Bible??
If you are not fully convinced that the Bible is God’s Word, then examine the evidence (g 11/07 5-9) ---> and if you examine them, you have to reach the same conclusions as them, otherwise you are disfellowship.
Use the Bible to examine your current beliefs carefully ----> again, use the Bible, and if the Bible states the opposite of the watchtower believed, believe the watchtower!
Jesus emphasized the need for our beliefs to be based on truth [Read John 4:23, 24] ---> their believes are based on lies and misunderstandings .... and the measurements of pyramids, still jw's have to believe them as being "the truth"
Like the apostle Paul, be willing to change your beliefs when presented with evidence (Ac 26:9-20) - --> are they willing to do this?
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2016 SPECIAL TALK---ARE YOU ON THE ROAD TO EVERLASTING LIFE?
by suavojr inare you on the road to everlasting life?.
note to the speaker: help bible students and interested ones to understand why and how to make further spiritual progress..
emphasize the many sources of help available, and warmly encourage them to act without delay.
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paradisebeauty
Thank you.
The big crowd is not on the road to everlasting life, they should read Isaiah 65:20 more carefully. The fleshly people in the the Kingdom will not have everlasting life.. The only way to have everlasting life is by being a new creation as Jesus after resurrection is.
The big crowd actually has the same hope as the "unjust" people who died and never really knew Jehovah and Jesus.
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Why Me?
by John Aquila indo you ever wonder why out of all the witnesses, you are the one that woke up?
i wonder many times why me.
i know many men and women that are much, much better persons than me; either they are much smarter, more humble, kinder, more successful, or just better persons all around.
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paradisebeauty
I wonder why I had to get into this org ... from all the people out there, why did I got to be fooled by those people?
And I thought I was not stupid ...
stupid me.
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Heading to the Spain and the Holy Land
by CalebInFloroda inas part of my journey as a sepahrdic jew, i am off on a journey that will take me to both spain and israel to apply for the right of return offered to me by both nations.. as such i will be absent from this delightful forum during this life-changing odyssey.
till that time we are together again, be assured you are in my thoughts and (for those of you who do not mind) my prayers.. please know you have contributed to me greatly and have helped me much, all of you.
it is rewarding to freely share, discuss, even debate issues here so freely.
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paradisebeauty
Wonderful. Have a great travel!