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AUSTRALIA – Artemis Legal launches inquiry into group and class action lawsuits against Jehovah’s Witnesses

by jwleaks in

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jehovah's witnesses - group action lawyers fighting for justice | artemis legal .

artemis legal | watchtower claims.

13 october 2015 .

OrphanCrow

Doug: I suspect there will be opportunists swarming around seeking to make money from these victims. Beware of anything at this early sate. The Commission has only been running for 2 years, and could probably run for a few more. Give it time to make its recommendations.

Exactly, Doug.

The Royal Commission has proven itself to be "victim centered". And that is the priority for what is happening with the WTS' institutional investigation. The victim comes first.

It seems as though many people like the law firm in the OP (and several of the members here) think of this as an opportunistic moment for their own purposes that don't necessarily align with the "victim centered" approach of the Royal Commission.

Just think - the RC is still collecting testimony and evidence from WT victims. How would a class action lawsuit originating from a law firm not connected to the RC, benefit anyone at this point? Can you not see the harm in having an independent law firm start to collect evidence and then, go to court while the RC is still ongoing?

I read the promos that the Artemis firm had posted. Huh. They made the claim that they had amassed over 15,000 pages of evidence so far. Well, big deal. So have I. And I am just a nobody. There is that much evidence and more readily available to the public.

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AUSTRALIA – Artemis Legal launches inquiry into group and class action lawsuits against Jehovah’s Witnesses

by jwleaks in

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jehovah's witnesses - group action lawyers fighting for justice | artemis legal .

artemis legal | watchtower claims.

13 october 2015 .

OrphanCrow

Wow.

There sure is a lot of miscommunication on this thread. And misunderstandings. Stealth, you have not read the OP correctly or followed the thread.

On this thread, we have had the information from someone involved in giving testimony to the RC that there is still two more years of testimony, etc. to collect.

Instead of flying off the handle and start demanding "proof" of an "official list of legal representatives" and all those things that confrontational people like to demand, why not use your head?

If the RC, which has done such an excellent job so far, is still involved in the collection of personal information from victims, and is also giving assistance to those victims in their pursuit of civil litigation...what is a private firm doing soliciting for business at this stage in the game? The RC is not even finished and yet a law firm, without access to the private information that the RC has, is going to be the solution that everybody jumps on?

Get real...use your heads and quit viewing this as a way to "get back at the Watchtower". This is far more serious than just random exJWs on a random forum thinking that child abuse is the vehicle for their personal revenge against the WT. The child rape victims are being sidelined here for the sensational news of "Oh! Look at what is happening to the WT!!! Yaya!"

Everybody needs to give their head a shake and realize that there are real victims who deserve real justice here. This is not a side show selling tickets on how fast and big the boom will be when the WT falls.

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This is for all JW's out there...

by Divergent in

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sorry to be so blunt, but you only have yourself to blame if you realize something is wrong but allow your cognitive dissonance to kick in.

if you are confronted with facts which are reported by reliable sources which are hard to dispute and deny, and you choose to dismiss these as "apostate lies" rather than looking at these from an objective point of view, it's your fault and you deserve the consequences of willful ignorance!.

OrphanCrow

Divergent: Sorry to be so blunt, but you only have yourself to blame if you realize something is wrong butallow your cognitive dissonance to kick in. If you are confronted with facts which are reported by reliable sources which are hard to dispute and deny, and you choose to dismiss these as "apostate lies" rather than looking at these from an objective point of view, it's your fault and you deserve the consequences of willful ignorance!

Sorry to be so blunt, Divergent, but YOU are part of the problem.

Adopting a "blame the victim" attitude is not going to help anybody but yourself. Your post reveals that you have no understanding of the factors that are at play in 1.) a cult and 2.) an abusive relationship.

If you are interested in expanding your knowledge base, it would be good for you to spend some time researching the power dynamics in both 1.) cults and 2.)abusive relationships. I would suggest that you start with investigating the "Stockholm Syndrome".

Developing a critical mind is one thing, but being critical from ignorance is quite another, Divergent. You need to apply your own advice to youself. Educate yourself. Ignorance is unattractive.

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AUSTRALIA – Artemis Legal launches inquiry into group and class action lawsuits against Jehovah’s Witnesses

by jwleaks in

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jehovah's witnesses - group action lawyers fighting for justice | artemis legal .

artemis legal | watchtower claims.

13 october 2015 .

OrphanCrow

Simon: The remit of the RC as I understand it is not to seek justice or compensation on behalf of the victims is it?

You need to read up on the redress scheme. That is the compensation for the victims that is being addressed by the RC.

The Royal Commission is also giving assistance and support to the victims in their search for justice through the civil courts.

Have you not been following this, Simon???

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The Iron Fist in the Velvet Glove

by Lee Elder in

the watchtower and jehovah's witnesses are fond of saying there are no automatic sanctions for taking blood.

that they no longer disfellowship someone who takes blood.

that they have a "free choice" in the matter.

OrphanCrow

Mad Irishman: I didn't take blood because I thought that was the right thing to do. No one put a gun to my head.

Last words of Jonestown follower: "I am going to drink it because I think it is the right thing to do. Nobody is putting a gun to my head."

You are right, MadIrishman. Nobody put a gun to your head. The WTS put a gun inside your head. And told you to pull the trigger.

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The Iron Fist in the Velvet Glove

by Lee Elder in

the watchtower and jehovah's witnesses are fond of saying there are no automatic sanctions for taking blood.

that they no longer disfellowship someone who takes blood.

that they have a "free choice" in the matter.

OrphanCrow

Onthewayout: No disfellowshipping action from the organization, but an individual action that caused them to simply fill out a form.

Exactly. "No disfellowshipping action".

No judicial commitee required. Taking a blood transfusion is an automatic offense. The offender doesn't even get the option of going through a process to determine sin. The sin of taking a blood transfusion is pre-determined.

A speedy divorce...Reno style...just sign on the dotted line. It's sort of like a "Do Not Pass Go, Do Not Collect 200 dollars" - go straight to being shunned.

No trial, no judical process....just get the fuck out.

Is there any other WT "sin" that is allows for such a speedy process?

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Kara- An ethical dilemma that's closer than you may be thinking

by fulltimestudent in

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9w7we1op7d4

OrphanCrow

Simon: There is no feeling other than the feeling it's been programmed to imitate.

You just described some 'humans' I have ran into.

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Australian Legal firm to take on class action lawsuits against JW's

by sherrie11 in

artemis legal offers litigation church abuse and immigration services.

artemis legal has launched an inquiry into group or class action against the jehovahs witness in australia.

this follows criticism by the australian royal commission into the institutional responses to child sexual abuse that revealed flaws in the deeply secretive religions attitude to dealing with child abuse and in response to a spike in recent enquiries to the sydney based law firm.. http://www.artemislegal.com.au/jehovahwitness/ .

OrphanCrow

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5212164105175040/australia-artemis-legal-launches-inquiry-into-group-class-action-lawsuits-against-jehovahs-witnesses

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Intersting Visit from our local JWs yesturday

by little_Socrates in

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way to early on a saturday morning we got a ring on our doorbell.

someone else answered the door.

after they left i walked by our entry way and gagged from the smell!

OrphanCrow

I agree with you, Little_Socrates. Scent can have dire consequences for some people.

I realize that people are defensive about ensuring that their personal boundaries extend far beyond their bodily space with their fragrance, but...it can be rude to wear fragrance in some environments.

And no, I don't think it is the responsibility of homeowners to have signs plastered on their doors warning people that someone inside that personal space may have issues with some scents. People are entitled to their privacy about such matters. It isn't the public's business. But, it is the business of people who make it their profession to go door to door to exhibit a sensitive attitude to whoever may be behind the doors they knock on.

And that is where the JWs are rude. They aren't just going to the grocery store and wandering around. They are deliberately and knowingly entering into other people's personal spaces.

It is a no brainer. Don't wear scent when you are going door to door. Simple.

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Disaster Kit

by vinman in

i was at walmart when i seen a disaster survival kit.

then something came to my mind.

remember all the instructions given about having these kits?

OrphanCrow

JeffT: Funny. I was only in from 1973 to 1988, but I seem to remember being told that such things showed a like of faith that Jehovah would take care of his people.

Yes, I remember that. I left in '71 but I remember my mom and dad being mocking of those who built bomb shelters and such in the post WW2 years. The JWs of that time were of the mind that "Jehovah would save them" and that they wouldn't need such foolishness.

Ha! Little did they know that Judge Rutherford's Beth Sarim had an elaborate bomb shelter. He didn't trust Jehovah to miraculously save him either. I wonder where the GB's bomb shelter is now that Beth Sarim is long gone.