Posts by OrphanCrow

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Cooperate Members of the Watchtower Society

by James Jack in

a older sister in miami florida has told me that the special pioneer couple who got their walking papers last week said they are also voting members of the watchtower society.

also his stock share is valued at $800,000!.

i did some research and spoke to some longtime witnesses and found out that there are 500 voting members of the society and they are also called shareholders.. has anyone ever of someone selling his share?.

OrphanCrow

leavingquietly: However, them having shares that are actually worth something... well, that's very interesting.

The WTS shares are only voting shares, according to the WTS charter. If the shares are worth money, I would really, really like to have proof/documentation of that.

You can check the WTS corporate charter and amendments here:

http://watchtowerdocuments.org/corporate-charter-amendments/

or here:

https://jwleaks.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/watchtower-bible-and-tract-society-of-new-york-charter-and-certificate-of-incorporation.pdf

Maybe I have missed something...that is possible. The voting shares during Russell's time were bought - for a dollar each. Whoever invested the most had the most power. When the 1945 amendment to the charter was instituted, the monetary value was eliminated from the voting shares.The voting shares went from 232,266 down to 300-500.

http://www.witnessesuntome.com/1945_Charter_of_WTBTS.pdf

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On respect for the belief of others. Sorry for the long post

by StarTrekAngel in

i am inclined to start this thread in response to some comments made in other threads.

i have been coming around these forum for quite some time now so whatever you find in here is not just related to something someone may have said this week.

it can go months back as well.. i have seen many who claim to respect the belief of others but when it comes down to applying it into practice, things take a whole different tune.

OrphanCrow

Oubilette: Some people just can't seem to make that intellectual and emotional separation, even though they are waking up or have woken up to the fact that they are in a cult.

The WTS tells their followers that "belief" and "knowledge" are the same thing and they are not.

Belief is an emotion and responses that challenge those emotional connections to an ideology are usually seen as a personal attack. That is because those challenges are a personal confrontation.

That is what beliefs are: emotional attachments to the irrational.

Once a person has knowledge (provable facts), belief is no longer necessary.

Knowledge is unemotional. Belief is emotional. They are not the same thing but the WTS has told their followers that they are the same. That is the lie.

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We talk a lot about conditional friends on here

by cappytan in

jw
friends

so, when people post about being shunned by their friends, i've heard several posters say things like, "their friendship is conditional.

real friendships aren't conditional.".

i'm sorry, but that just isn't really true.. if you and i were friends, there are conditions.

OrphanCrow

cappytan: However, the fact remains that friendships are conditional, whether they be JW or not. To assert otherwise is to ignore human nature.

I agree, Cappy. Unconditional friendship is a myth.

Adopting the concept of "unconditional" friendships is an act that devalues "self".

My friendships (and family relationships) are conditional. The only relationships I have that are unconditional are with my children and grandchildren.

With that said, just because a friendship/relationship doesn't last forever, doesn't mean that the relationship was not successful.

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Google Earth the Bethels and you can see the Tennis Courts, Swimming Pools, but Austerity measures still continue

by Quarterback in

jw
friends

what's to become of these little luxuries enjoyed at bethel now that some departments have closed down such as housekeeping, laundry, meals, etc....

OrphanCrow

The swimming pools can be used for laundry. And the tennis courts can be used for drying the clothes...just hang the clothes on the tennis nets.

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On respect for the belief of others. Sorry for the long post

by StarTrekAngel in

i am inclined to start this thread in response to some comments made in other threads.

i have been coming around these forum for quite some time now so whatever you find in here is not just related to something someone may have said this week.

it can go months back as well.. i have seen many who claim to respect the belief of others but when it comes down to applying it into practice, things take a whole different tune.

OrphanCrow

TheRebel: On this one I have to say I agree with Simon, if those posts weren't deleted I am sure Oubliette and I were at war. Hardly worthy of a thread " respecting the beliefs of others"

You were the one being disrespectful.

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On respect for the belief of others. Sorry for the long post

by StarTrekAngel in

i am inclined to start this thread in response to some comments made in other threads.

i have been coming around these forum for quite some time now so whatever you find in here is not just related to something someone may have said this week.

it can go months back as well.. i have seen many who claim to respect the belief of others but when it comes down to applying it into practice, things take a whole different tune.

OrphanCrow

The Rebel: O.C " People who have invested their time and life into a profession deserve respect"
The Rebel (A) Does that include pioneers,ministerial servants, elders,circuit overseers and the G.B?
We have many " professional educators" in our life and we have many people who have invested their time and life into a profession, footballers and politicians, In my opinion that is not the criteria for respect.
The Rebel.

No, it does not include pioneers, ms, elders, etc...

Those are not "professional" occupations.

"...we have many people who have invested their time and life into a profession, footballers and politicians, In my opinion that is not the criteria for respect."

That is where we differ in opinion, TheRebel. The work, commitment, and dedication that is required to gain a "professional" status, in my opinion, does deserve respect.

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2015-Watchtower Audit Checklist!

by Atlantis in

2015, audit checklist.. .. click the green download button.. .. 2015 checklist for audit of file .

http://wwwb.fileflyer.com/view/aliira5.

.. .. wtunderground!.

OrphanCrow

Thank you Atlantis.

This is a disturbing document. Directives to destroy personal documentation disturbs me.

Personal documentation is critical to legal cases.

This is an odd paradox - an organization that claims such meticulous record keeping yet 'they' don't allow for personal documentation.

Information control.

*to add - doesn't this directive border on "destroying evidence"?

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What more do they need to see?

by stuckinarut2 in

so bethelites are being decreased...bethel homes even sold off.... special pioneers no longer being funded.. magazines getting smaller and published less frequently.. building work stopping or being reduced.. no large conventions and renting of venues.. etc.... so, money is not coming in anymore to cover the "expenses"??.

didnt the first ever watchtower said that when this occurs, it would be evidence of god no longer blessing the activity....

oh, and throughout the years, we have constantly been told that the "growth of the org and the projects such as buildings and contributions" etc were evidence of gods blessing.... .

OrphanCrow

eyeuse: Unfortunately, the, "where else can we go" ,syndrome has them and I know that most of them will pass away still 'hoping' for that elusive "paradise earth".

And it isn't just the "where else can we go" syndrome, it is the "who would I be" syndrome. Those who have had their self identity stripped away, or not allowed to develop, will face huge anxiety and identity issues to even contemplate stepping outside their secure little bubble that defines their existence.

The JW cult removes an individual's ability to think for themselves or even to define their own personal and unique identity. An active (or non-active and not 'deprogrammed') cannot 'see' themselves without the defining feature of attachment to an organization that does it for them.

What more do they need to see? I think they need to see the world as better than what they have. I think they need to see themselves and their own personal worth.

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