Posts by OrphanCrow

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Who is your favourite thinker?

by The Rebel in

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having recently read orwells 1984, i was impressed with how he understood that both politicians and people abuse language.

this further confirmed to me how the w.t had deceived me by using words to distort reality.

the book 1984, also contains many other great thoughts of george orwell.. of course there have been many other great thinkers, buddah, darwin, freud, einstein and marx come to mind.

OrphanCrow

SlimFatBoy, yes, Baudrillard did propose that theory - he often wrote about the power of the media and propaganda. I would have to re-read his Gulf War analysis to make any sort of intelligent response to it.

I became interested in Baudrillard when I was studying the politics of representation and how that is played out in the media through the use of propaganda. This was at the time that the WWW was being born and theoretical discussions about how it would impact culture and the political world was common. Speculation about how cyberspace was 'the new frontier' and about how terrorism would be fought in cyberspace for the control of information and power fit well into Baudrillardian theories.

I find Baudrillard's writings to be dense and difficult to untangle - which could be a language barrier problem - but, I keep reading his work. Every once in while, I get an eureka moment from re-reading things that didn't make sense previously. Especially when I read things from years back that now have real application. I call Baudrillard 'the prophet' of the technological age.

Using Barthes to analyze JW meetings sounds like a fun exercise. My interest in Barthes is photographically based. "Camera Lucida - Reflections on Photography" is seminal reading for photographic enthusiasts. But, I also like the way that he writes about myth and how it is constructed and maintained in popular culture. Good stuff.

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Who is your favourite thinker?

by The Rebel in

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having recently read orwells 1984, i was impressed with how he understood that both politicians and people abuse language.

this further confirmed to me how the w.t had deceived me by using words to distort reality.

the book 1984, also contains many other great thoughts of george orwell.. of course there have been many other great thinkers, buddah, darwin, freud, einstein and marx come to mind.

OrphanCrow

I am a big fan of Jean Baudrillard (1929-2007), French cultural, sociological and political theorist. Baudrillard's work centers around technology and how it impacts our culture. Where I take exception to his work (and Foucault's) is in their understanding and assumptions about primitivism and essentialism.

Roland Barthes, Susan Sontag, Germaine Greer, Mikhail Bahktin...a few more that I like...but...Baudrillard is still on top of the heap for me. I pull one of his books off the shelf whenever the world seems just too crazy to handle anymore. His words give me clarity and help me to make a bit of sense of all the madness. Baudrillard grounds me.

I used to say that the number one thing on my bucket list was to get an opportunity to sit in the same room with Baudrillard. Not even speak to him or have him speak - no words between us...just let my mind share the same space with his for a little bit. But, now he is dead. Damn. Cross that one off my bucket list.

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Is the religion of Jehovah's Witnesses really an inferior form of Christianity?

by nicolaou in

seems to be quite a few posters recently pulling down the beliefs of jw's as not biblical or truly christian.

maybe you're right, maybe you're wrong, i really don't care.. in some important ways though mainstream christians often behave better than jehovah's witnesses; most don't practice shunning or impose lethal medical prohibitions on their members.

many are far more tolerant of the lgbt community and a few even make the awkward attempt to square the fact of evolution with their faith.. please note that i'm saying some, not all.. so i suppose it's fair to say that differing forms of christianity can be better or worse for individuals, families and the wider community.

OrphanCrow

David_Jay: The Nazi war against the Jews was both racial and spiritual.

Actually, those two identifiers of the Jews - racial and spiritual - were secondary to Hitler's reasons for his hatred of that group. Primarily, Hitler hated the Jews because in his mind, they were synonymous with the Bolsheviks.

The Bolsheviks were the ones that Hilter was so adamantly opposed to. The Bolsheviks had taken power in Russia and Hitler was ruthlessly opposed to communism. It was a political hatred that motivated Hitler.

Over time, the Holocaust has been attributed to religious difference, when, in actuality, it was a political difference that led to the genocide of the Jews. The Bolsheviks, Hitler's most hated opponents, were mainly Jews.

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"True Story" - movie about Christian Longo

by OrphanCrow in

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i just watched "true story" on netflix.. http://www.truestorymovie.com/.

disturbing.

it is about the relationship between christian longo and the journalist, mike finkel, who wrote a book about londo's murder of his family.. a person has to wonder about how dangerous it is to plant the notion of the dead being resurrected into the mind of a narcissist.

OrphanCrow

Damn...I should have just posted a link to the movie without comments. I did not intend this to become a debate about "life after death" or about Jebus. I was more concerned with how the distorted JW thinking could have had an effect on this murderer's actions seeing as he was raised in a strict JW family.

I would remove my comments if I could....but carry on. Go ahead and make this about Jebus if you want, Perry. Sheesh. I was thinking more along the lines of how JW thinking can upset a person's psychological balance and instead...we get quotes about bibble verses. Typical. Disappointing, but...typical.

LisaRose, your comments are on track with what I was getting at. There have been other JW murderers who thought that their "loved ones" would get their chance at living forever if they were removed before Armageddon...and, they have also thought that they themselves would get that "second chance" at life forever because of their belief in everybody being resurrected, including themselves, provided they died before the big day. Which makes the death penalty a viable option for them as a solution rather than a punishment.

I suppose we will never know why this idiot, Christian Longo, murdered his wife and children, but, it is not unusual to speculate on what it is that allows a mentally unbalanced person to act out violently.

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"True Story" - movie about Christian Longo

by OrphanCrow in

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i just watched "true story" on netflix.. http://www.truestorymovie.com/.

disturbing.

it is about the relationship between christian longo and the journalist, mike finkel, who wrote a book about londo's murder of his family.. a person has to wonder about how dangerous it is to plant the notion of the dead being resurrected into the mind of a narcissist.

OrphanCrow

I just watched "True Story" on Netflix.

http://www.truestorymovie.com/

Disturbing. It is about the relationship between Christian Longo and the journalist, Mike Finkel, who wrote a book about Londo's murder of his family.

A person has to wonder about how dangerous it is to plant the notion of the dead being resurrected into the mind of a narcissist. Regardless of Londo being a "disfellowshipped" JW, it still wouldn't change the idea that he could murder his entire family and that they would, someday, have a chance at "life forever in paradise". And, if he is executed, that he would get to come back and just say "sorry about that...ain't life grand now?"

There are several threads from 14 years ago on this forum about Christian Longo, but for those of you who aren't familar with the case, this link has some background:

http://www.biography.com/people/christian-longo

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Watchtower building 5.5 million dollar park

by wannaexit in

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all that ice scream money is put to good use:.

http://www.brooklyneagle.com/articles/2016/1/11/jehovahs-witnesses-create-fund-long-awaited-bridge-park-ii-renovation.

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Crazyguy: The Borg will round up a bunch of volunteer jws and in the end probably spend less then a couple hundred grand.

No, they won't. That is exactly why they are in the situation they are right now. The City of New York would not allow them to use volunteer labour for a city project. The park was to be built over a decade ago but the WTS did not fulfill their obligation - instead they came up with all sorts of "blame somebody else" excuses for their lack of committement. Now, they are forced to hand over a bit of cash to see that their prior commitment is realized.

The WT's "volunteer labour" was rejected - they were not allowed to do it the way they have always managed to get away with in the past. This time, they have to pay real cash.

In the whole big picture, 5.5 million is a pretty small chunk of change to part with considering that they stand to make over a billion dollars on the sale of the property that is connected to this "park controversy". That amount is only .55% of the potential sale value of the property. I think the WTS is getting away pretty easy on this one.

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Curiousity interest - Russian President Putin Attends Orthodox Christmas Mass last week in Turginovo Church

by fulltimestudent in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvfi14wdugo

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DJS: Some think that Vlad has moved from being an atheist to a staunch X-tian; Intel analysts see a shrewd tactical and strategic move by a true blue KGBer who would like to go back to the good old days. Those days include the Russian Orthodox Church.

The re-establishment and resurgence of Russian Orthodoxy is absolutely a political move. Putin wants to be Russia's Tsar and the return to Imperialist ideology is somewhat based upon Putin's admiration for Pyotr Stolypin, the Russian prime minister who was assasinated in 1911.

Russian Orthodoxy is Putin's key to national unity and a solid relationship with the Orthodox Church is vital to the future cohesiveness of Russia and Putin's hold on power. For example, this need is reflected in how Russia is handling the extensive DNA analysis of the royal family remains - everyone else except the Orthodox Church accepted the scientific analysis to date but the church demanded more 'proof'. And Putin will do whatever is necessary to keep the church happy - the church is the government's control mechanism for the people of Russia.

Every power structure needs an ideology to keep it viable - Soviet Russia worshipped "the state" but that is no longer the case and modern day Russia has little to fall back on except what was there in the past. The revolution has gone full circle and has now arrived back at where it started - the natural progression of all revolutions.

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Curiousity interest - Russian President Putin Attends Orthodox Christmas Mass last week in Turginovo Church

by fulltimestudent in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvfi14wdugo

OrphanCrow

vidiot: Gosh, we've never seen that before.

It may not be an anomaly here...but in Russia it is.

Russia's return to Orthodoxy is actually a pretty big deal.

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My Bethel Experience part 15 Health, Dismemberment, Death (natural and unnatural) murder.

by new boy in

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this is the fun one......... .

health, dismemberment, death (natural and unnatural) murder and suicide..

the people at bethel were killing us spiritually.......and sometimes they killed us physically too..

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new boy: So he said "I have a letter here, from Doctor Dixion, and he says that ear muffs are NOT good to use, because they could cause ear infections!"

I found your reference to Dr. Dixon interesting.

He is the JW doctor who was instrumental, back in the 60s and 70s, in giving "medical" advice on the blood ban. He was an early promoter of the WT brand of alternative procedures.

I see that his advice on not wearing ear muffs to protect against hearing loss is about as credible as the "medical" advice he has given concerning blood transfusions.

Dr. Dixon appears to be...a WT wh*r*.

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What is the alternative to JW?

by Formerbrother in

i mean this with all due respect, i would like to hear from genuine people who think jw have it wrong and then what is the truth?.

im not talking about silly little quibbles here and there.. is jehovah real?

the the bible is word?

OrphanCrow

FormerBrother: The truth from the JW org, does have the ring of truth to it.

The "ring of truth" that you are speaking of, FB, is a designed process that the WT is really good at implementing.

Consider how that "truth" is fed to you. It is done in a revaltory model - a person is given information, and they are guided through a process that does not allow for any other thinking to intrude upon a person's mind. They are presented with simple questions that require a scan of the material presented, and then they are required to give the simple answer. This results in the participant having an "eureka" moment - but it is a moment that is carefully controlled. The person is left feeling like they have had a personal revelation about some matter, when in actuality, they have only responded to somebody else's "truth" - it isn't your own truth - it is the truth of the one who set you up to think that it is your truth.

The pedagogical process of how the WT disseminates their "truth" is what gives a person the notion that they have 'discovered' the truth...and that the discovery is one that they have personally made.

As far as who comes closest to interpreting correctly that old, old collections of books that have been made into a volume, which people refer to as the "Bible", you would have more luck with determining the "truth" of Aesop's Fables. The Bible is a collection of literature. That is all it is. A historical collection of a bunch of books written over a long period of time and translated countless number of times.

Critically examining the Bible is no different than critically analyzing a collection of another culturally grouped collection of writings. Interpreting it though, is what has allowed a multitude of people to control and manipulate its contents for their own purposes and greed.

The WT's interpretation of what is inside the Bible only appears to be truthful because of the way that they disseminate their interpretation of it. The WT educates people to accept their version of that old, old book. Acceptance of their "truth" is only the result of being subjected to their educational process.