Posts by OrphanCrow

We can cruise around the internet all we like but there are some things that just aren't online and it takes 'hard' research to get answers sometimes.

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WATCHTOWER SCAM? WTWR NYSE

by biblexaminer in

in 2009, a new company, traded on the new york stock exchange was initiated.. watchtower inc. wtwr.

corporate headquarters.

100 henry streetbrooklyn, new york 11201united states.

OrphanCrow

Biblexaminer, this thread might help you out:

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/279207/watchtower-inc-100-henry-street-links-many-other-suspect-companies?page=1

and this one:

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/207251/whats-going-on-100-henry-street?page=1&size=20

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What is the alternative to JW?

by Formerbrother in

i mean this with all due respect, i would like to hear from genuine people who think jw have it wrong and then what is the truth?.

im not talking about silly little quibbles here and there.. is jehovah real?

the the bible is word?

OrphanCrow

Acts: Then I would have to wonder why you are here on a religious forum - but I think the answer is evident

Of course it is evident.

There are many members here who are EX Jws. Myself included.

Stay with your lack of belief - I won't try to change you. Nevertheless, intransigence hinders so very much of ones potential.

Ah...a sophisticated (and arrogant) putdown.

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Evolution and Atheism - please help

by Fernando in

not being familiar with either, my question is:.

what is the relationship between evolution and atheism?.

i'd love to hear from anyone and everyone, and also from any perspective.. without limiting the conversation in any way, i would of course also appreciate comments that are simple, clear, direct and correct (as i don't have the capacity to do a phd in evolution or atheism)..

OrphanCrow

sbf: Scientific facts are socially constructed just like other facts. True today, gone tomorrow.

All knowledge is socially constructed.

Inherent in the scientific method, is that the process is designed to prove 'facts' wrong and to re-adjust hypotheses. It is how the scientific method works.

On the other hand, religious thought tries to 'prove' itself right.

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GB bites off more than they can chew!

by biblexaminer in

the gb bit off more than they can chew.

they promised that the nwt revised would be available in so many languages by now, and they have failed miserably.. english stands alone.

as a result, they are in damage control mode.

OrphanCrow

bibleexaminer: I think their resources are tapped out. I think that their financial troubles go far beyond what we know.
When I compare their behavior, as of late, to other big companies that have had troubles, what I see is a large unseen liability sucking the life out of their asset column, as in the case of a Ponzi scheme.
I am now of the belief that the buildings in NY are being sold to cover a large debt that has gone undisclosed.

I agree.

The money is bleeding out somewhere...

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Australia - Elder Jailed Over Sex Abuse

by OrphanCrow in

another one.. https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/wa/a/30810834/church-elder-is-jailed-over-sex-abuse/.

a jehovah’s witness elder who sexually assaulted two vulnerable teenagers he met through the church was sentenced to three years jail yesterday over the “destructive” abuse.. david frank pople, 68, met the boys through the safety bay congregation of the church and assaulted them between 1989 and 1996.. one of the teens reported the sexual assaults to elders in 1997 but police were not made aware of the abuse until he filed a police report in 2014.pople was forcibly ejected from the church for being “insufficiently repentant” in 1997 and readmitted the following year at his request.. district court judge troy sweeney accepted pople was genuinely remorseful but said he had interfered with his victims’ natural maturing process in a “very destructive way”.“a message must be sent that child abuse is abhorrent and will not be tolerated by any civilised society,” she said.“they were vulnerable because they were young and because you were a church elder and their boss.”.

when pople admitted assaulting one of the boys during a conversation with an elder in the 1990s, he was told a judicial committee would be formed to deal with the issue.the elders spoke to pople in an apparent attempt to determine his level of remorse and later sent a letter to certain members of the congregation explaining in great detail why he had been ejected.. pople was in his 40s when he assaulted the boys at work, on his yacht and in his shoalwater home.he was close friends with the parents of his first victim and had helped the second victim with his bible studies.. defence lawyer nick scerri told the court pople was candid with the leadership of the church and made “very frank admissions” about some aspects of the offending in 1997.he said his client has been living three lives and was “deeply unhappy” when he assaulted the boys.“he had the life of the family man, the father, the husband,” mr scerri said.

OrphanCrow

Datadog: OrphanCrow,
Send this story to Trey Bundy!

I didn't even think to do that...

Okay.

Done.

*he likely has an alert on all JW news, but just in case it didn't come up on his radar, I sent it to him.

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JW jailed for £8million investment fraud - UK

by OrphanCrow in

http://m.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/14276665.victims__brainwashed__in___8m_investment_scam/he told investors that his status as a jehovah’s witness meant he was unable to break the law, in an effort to win their trust.. teesside crown court heard how many of the 350 victims were elderly and had been deliberately targeted.some had since died with the stress of the county durham-based fraud having contributed to their ill health, and others had lost homes and life savings.a third man the crown said was involved, anthony kemp, is currently serving a prison sentence in new zealand for a separate but similar fraud, but is expected to be extradited back to the uk to stand trial when he is released.. .

full aricle at link.

OrphanCrow

Landy: Orphan Crow - are you local to that area?

No.

I am a Canadian.

sbf: When I was in the JWs I used to think there were no bad JWs at all.

Exactly. It was that idea that set up the JWs investors to be victimized:

"He told investors that his status as a Jehovah’s Witness meant he was unable to break the law"

How many times have we heard that "JWs are the most law abiding people around"? This is a myth that is propagated ad nauseum by the WTS. No wonder the JWs who lost their investments believed him.

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Australia - Elder Jailed Over Sex Abuse

by OrphanCrow in

another one.. https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/wa/a/30810834/church-elder-is-jailed-over-sex-abuse/.

a jehovah’s witness elder who sexually assaulted two vulnerable teenagers he met through the church was sentenced to three years jail yesterday over the “destructive” abuse.. david frank pople, 68, met the boys through the safety bay congregation of the church and assaulted them between 1989 and 1996.. one of the teens reported the sexual assaults to elders in 1997 but police were not made aware of the abuse until he filed a police report in 2014.pople was forcibly ejected from the church for being “insufficiently repentant” in 1997 and readmitted the following year at his request.. district court judge troy sweeney accepted pople was genuinely remorseful but said he had interfered with his victims’ natural maturing process in a “very destructive way”.“a message must be sent that child abuse is abhorrent and will not be tolerated by any civilised society,” she said.“they were vulnerable because they were young and because you were a church elder and their boss.”.

when pople admitted assaulting one of the boys during a conversation with an elder in the 1990s, he was told a judicial committee would be formed to deal with the issue.the elders spoke to pople in an apparent attempt to determine his level of remorse and later sent a letter to certain members of the congregation explaining in great detail why he had been ejected.. pople was in his 40s when he assaulted the boys at work, on his yacht and in his shoalwater home.he was close friends with the parents of his first victim and had helped the second victim with his bible studies.. defence lawyer nick scerri told the court pople was candid with the leadership of the church and made “very frank admissions” about some aspects of the offending in 1997.he said his client has been living three lives and was “deeply unhappy” when he assaulted the boys.“he had the life of the family man, the father, the husband,” mr scerri said.

OrphanCrow

This is interesting:

"The elders spoke to Pople in an apparent attempt to determine his level of remorse and later sent a letter to certain members of the congregation explaining in great detail why he had been ejected."

Obviously the elders cannot claim "penitent privlege" on this one.

And why, in this case, was it okay to warn congregants and in other cases the elders keep their mouths shut?

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JW jailed for £8million investment fraud - UK

by OrphanCrow in

http://m.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/14276665.victims__brainwashed__in___8m_investment_scam/he told investors that his status as a jehovah’s witness meant he was unable to break the law, in an effort to win their trust.. teesside crown court heard how many of the 350 victims were elderly and had been deliberately targeted.some had since died with the stress of the county durham-based fraud having contributed to their ill health, and others had lost homes and life savings.a third man the crown said was involved, anthony kemp, is currently serving a prison sentence in new zealand for a separate but similar fraud, but is expected to be extradited back to the uk to stand trial when he is released.. .

full aricle at link.

OrphanCrow

http://m.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/14276665.Victims__brainwashed__in___8m_investment_scam/

He told investors that his status as a Jehovah’s Witness meant he was unable to break the law, in an effort to win their trust.
Teesside Crown Court heard how many of the 350 victims were elderly and had been deliberately targeted.
Some had since died with the stress of the County Durham-based fraud having contributed to their ill health, and others had lost homes and life savings.
A third man the Crown said was involved, Anthony Kemp, is currently serving a prison sentence in New Zealand for a separate but similar fraud, but is expected to be extradited back to the UK to stand trial when he is released.

Full aricle at link.