Posts by OrphanCrow

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Has any of the GB members ever had a job?

by Crazyguy in

just wonder since that video about a child giving up his dreams of being a great musician do to competition .

i had to give up all my dreams and now work in a very competitive industry just to get by.

how many people not work in a competitive job?

OrphanCrow

Jackson quit school at 14 to become a mi-shun-ary

hoser: Anthony Morris father is/was rich. Maybe daddy paid the bills

Is Tony connected to the Phillip Morris family/empire?

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The last video in the 2016 convention...

by problemaddict 2 in

...is an epic triumph is emotional manipulation.

bringing together all of the stories they told thus far and placing them int he "new world" complete with the little boy who was killed in a car accident coming back from the dead.. i have a good friend who is stuck in with family and plays the role.

he said everyone was crying, and the people next to him rated the videos by how many tissues they needed to dry their eyes.

OrphanCrow

I think they should have had this audiomachine song playing for the end of the bunker video when the authorities are coming to arrest the elders on child abuse charges:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8uB-e9qzUjE

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JW NBA player arrested for domestic violence

by OrphanCrow in

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let the case against the kings’ darren collison play out.

darren collison's lawyer is quoted as saying:.

“this is a warm and loving family, and there is no doubt that they will get past this together,” said portanova, one of sacramento’s highest-profile defense lawyers and one who is not known to speak too glowingly to reporters about the people he represents, except in the occasional case where he actually believes they are innocent.so what happened out there, bill, in the rancher amid the blue oak where the foothills of the sierra just begin to take shape?“it’s really a misunderstanding, and we’re working to straighten it out,” portanova said.

OrphanCrow

Let the case against the Kings’ Darren Collison play out

Darren Collison's lawyer is quoted as saying:

“This is a warm and loving family, and there is no doubt that they will get past this together,” said Portanova, one of Sacramento’s highest-profile defense lawyers and one who is not known to speak too glowingly to reporters about the people he represents, except in the occasional case where he actually believes they are innocent.
So what happened out there, Bill, in the rancher amid the blue oak where the foothills of the Sierra just begin to take shape?
“It’s really a misunderstanding, and we’re working to straighten it out,” Portanova said. “This is genuinely one of the nicest guys I’ve ever met, and we will be working closely with the family.”

Quite the misunderstanding. From this article Kings point guard Darren Collison charged with domestic violence :

Police received a call from a woman — Collison's wife, per CBS13 — who said she was being assaulted, and when they arrived on scene around 1 a.m. on Wednesday morning, they witnessed visible injuries on the woman...

From the first article we learn about Collison's JW affiliation:

One fact that would register as a surprise would be if alcohol was involved.
Collision, 28, is a Jehovah’s Witness, a faith that frowns strongly on overindulgence, and he and his family live around the corner from the Kingdom Hall on Berg Street.
An elder at the Granite Bay hall who only gave his name as Larry vouched for Collison as a practicing member of the congregation.
“Very friendly,” Larry said of Collison. “Cordial, and so forth. He seemed to be respected by everyone.”

And what did Larry have to say about the woman who called the police to help her at 1 am?

Collison’s wife did not attend the meetings with the same frequency of her husband, but, “I’ve seen her a few times,” Larry said.

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JW.org videos....look like....

by Anders Andersen in

.... i just looked through some videos on the scientology and the mormon youtube channels.animated whiteboard animations, bad acting, compelling music...it's all the same as jw.org...or the other way around.the similarity is very striking to me.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghjomvjadbghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxf3pwvjoka.

i wonder why that is....

OrphanCrow

millie: I would love to know the name of the media consulting firm that was used!
sparrow: Orphan Crow we need your research superpowers.

Haha!

Actually, at the time that jworg was launched, I did do some digging around. What I found may or may not be related to the rebranding of jworg, but it was interesting.

The name I came up with was Frankie Wellman. Salt Lake City. He is a JW who runs meekspace.org (and was going to launch meekvideo.org back in early 2014 but it never got off the ground once jworg was up and running).

Anyways, Frankie's website, netholics, has underwent several transformations and this is their website from Feb 2014: https://web.archive.org/web/20140209161558/http://www.netholics.com/

Frankie 'fits' the profile of someone who could have been involved in the rebranding, etc. and he operates a company that would serve the purposes of jworg quite well (and, coincidentally, he lives in the capital of Mormonville).

Mind you, there are many JWs involved in the media world with their own companies or employed in digital media production.

This latest video to surface out of the summer convention could have been outsourced to a JW production company. It would explain the 'worldly' soundtrack and the use of shutterstock video footage.

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Roy and my right to free-speech..

by The Rebel in

before england announce the two squad members that won't go in to the euros, i say leave out wiltshire ( not fully match fit) and sturrige,( the most over rated striker ever) however social media disagrees and says drinkwater, lacks quality and rashford experience so leave them out.

other experts think varidys pace irrelevant at this level.

my conclusion it's all opinions and roy hodgson wont base his decision on my opinion nor social medias.

OrphanCrow

Rebel: "...and my right to free speech"

Simon: "I don't know what this has at all to do with free-speech, I don't think you understand the actual concept at all."

I agree with Simon on this. What on earth does talking about sports have to do with the concept of free speech? There is no relationship whatsoever between free speech and discussing the merits of sports teams. None whatsoever.

Definition of freedom of speech:

the right of people to express their opinions publicly without governmental interference, subject to the laws against libel, incitement to violence or rebellion, etc.

How does a discussion about sports teams fall under freedom of speech protection? Are you concerned that the government will step in and squash your voice?

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The last video in the 2016 convention...

by problemaddict 2 in

...is an epic triumph is emotional manipulation.

bringing together all of the stories they told thus far and placing them int he "new world" complete with the little boy who was killed in a car accident coming back from the dead.. i have a good friend who is stuck in with family and plays the role.

he said everyone was crying, and the people next to him rated the videos by how many tissues they needed to dry their eyes.

OrphanCrow

Daniel: I wanna see their faces when they see the picture of the album "epica."

This picture?

http://search.audiomachine.com/albums/epica-album/

Epica

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The last video in the 2016 convention...

by problemaddict 2 in

...is an epic triumph is emotional manipulation.

bringing together all of the stories they told thus far and placing them int he "new world" complete with the little boy who was killed in a car accident coming back from the dead.. i have a good friend who is stuck in with family and plays the role.

he said everyone was crying, and the people next to him rated the videos by how many tissues they needed to dry their eyes.

OrphanCrow

From the youtube caption:

"Music in video is "Eternal Flame" by Paul Dinletir"

Can someone explain why the WTS would be using this music for the video? Why not a kingdumb song?

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RC Was Worse Than I thought...

by JW_Rogue in

i was visiting with my family and it seems the rc was worse than i thought.

now they all seem to think that "we are so close to the end" and that the "brothers are really preparing us for the gt".

some even saying that soon our message will change to a judgement message for mankind and talking about how we need to improve "everything we do".

OrphanCrow

Room215: and what do they do for an encore? .

Oh...Satan is always lurking around...he gets one last crack at it at the end of the GT.

The WTS can play around with that threat for the next 1000 years. It ain't over til the fat lady sings...

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The Watchtower's method to show that it was appointed in 1919 CE

by Doug Mason in

please note that when you tell me of the corrections i need to make that this is a simplfied, minimalist presentation dealing with the society's appointment in 1919.. it is available as a powerpoint show: http://www.jwstudies.com/appointed_in_1919.ppsx .

and as a pdf: http://www.jwstudies.com/appointed_in_1919.pdf.

doug.

OrphanCrow

oldskool: I once discussed in depth the 1914/19 chronology and selection information with an Elder that attended ministerial training school and was taught under a governing body member. Faced with the documentation that the 1914/19 chronology was incoherent, he immediately transitioned the conversation to the Jonadab "miracle". This point was communicated heavily to him during his training, and I believe it remains in the background as the "backup" evidence to 1914/19 JW leaders rely on to define their divine appointment.
The reality is no Jonadab miracle occured...

I have always understood the "Jonadab" reference was always pulled out whenever the WTS had made alliances with persons/entities who were not JWs themselves. The 'helper class' has often been used synonymous with the 'Jonadab class'.

I think that the significance of the 1919 date had a lot to do with the political and financial alliances that Rutherford made, during/after his jail term, that allowed him to continue with business when faced with the certain ruin that the 1918 court case had left the WTS in.

At the time that Rutherford and his cronies were jailed following their charge with treason, the WTs was in shambles. By the time that Rutherford et al were released in 1919, the Brooklyn property was facing foreclosure and the printing presses were idle with no money for the fuel to run them and no printing plates because the plates had been seized by the government.

However, something miraculous happened during the WTS' leaders' brief jail stint - somehow...the notion was born to publish a 'supplement' to the Watchtower magazine. Except, this magazine was to be published 'incognito' as though it had no ties to the WTS. The leaders of the WTS emerged from their jail cells with a mission - to publish the Golden Age magazine. And they did. With the financial help of some person who arrived at WT headquarters with cash taped to his torso under his shirt - enough cash to get the buildings out of trouble with the banks and to get the presses up and running.

The arrival of that cash came on the heels of a trip that Rutherford made out to California where, supposedly, he found a benefactor to put his plans of publishing the Golden Age into effect - http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/126813/lyman-swingle-gb-told-me-what-would-bring-down-organization?page=2&size=20

By the time that the summer convention rolled around in 1919, Rutherford was in the position to announce the trumpet blast - the magazine that would herald in the 'new world'...the golden age of scientific discovery, etc. And along with Rutherford's brilliant announcement, came the support of his cronies. One of the supporters was William Hudgings - an inventor and scientist - who would give a sermon at the Ohio convention on how the mystical appearance of the number seven signified God's involvement in this wonderful occurrence.

Hudgings' entire sermon can be downloaded at https://archive.org/details/1919BibleStudentConventionReport.

...For instance, the prominence of the figure seven in connection with the whole trial has so protruded itself upon our attention that we cannot mistake that it is more than merely a set of coincidences. For instance, the trial itself covered exactly fourteen court days — seven of those days were devoted to the preliminaries and the prosecution, whereas seven days were devoted to the defense. At the conclusion of that period the brethren were sentenced and convicted — eight of them — and then in the most remarkable way the eighth was separated from the others and the sentence came upon only seven, on the 21st day of June. The eighth was sentenced exactly twenty-one days later — three times seven.

Then they were taken down to Raymond Street jail. None of us knew how long they would be there. They kept them there exactly seven days, and while there, the officers of the Society and both compilers of the Seventh Volume were placed on a tier of cells known as Number Seven on the North side.

At the end of the seven days they were removed to Queen's County jail.

Nobody knew how long they would be kept there. They were kept there exactly seven days.

And on the seventh day they were removed from there and taken to Atlanta on the 4th day of July (the seventh month), which day was being celebrated by exactly seven nations for the first time in history.

Hudgings then goes on to attribute other mystical events to this appointment:

In addition to the prominence of the figure seven in connection with their case, I wish to also mention some parallelisms suggested during the blessed week we were in Raymond Street jail together. First one brother would suggest something and then another, and by the end of the week we had some very interesting data compiled that I think has gladdened the hearts of the friends who have heard it. The Lord, in a most remarkable way, has shown a direct relationship between the experience of the feet members of the body and the experience which came upon the Head of the body nineteen centuries ago.

We know that the moon was pictorial of the Jewish dispensation, which came to a close in the days of our Lord. Even as the sun is a picture of the Gospel dispensation. There were great privileges that had been extended to the nominal Jewish house that passed away because they did not appreciate the Lord from Heaven, who had come. Even now we see that the Lord has cast aside the great nominal spiritual Israel because of the fact that they have not appreciated the Lord's Second Presence and co-operated in the carrying forward of the message now due. Rather, they have fought against it; even as they fought against our Lord and persecuted Him to His death. Now let us note some parallels.

Once a year the sun reaches its zenith in the heavens. Brother Russell suggests that the waning of the moon at the time of our Lord's crucifixion was suggestive of the passing away of the privileges that had been extended to that nominal Jewish house back there. Our Lord was crucified when the moon was at its zenith in the heaven. He was crucified on the 15th of Nisan at high noon, according to Matthew's account. "There was darkness over the earth from the sixth hour." That would be noon, because the Jews reckoned daylight from about 6 A. M. It was apparently at high noon, therefore, that our Lord's activities on earth were cut short, on the 15th of Nisan when the moon was at its monthly zenith in the heavens.

These seven representatives of the Lord's people, and you and I, and all of us as feet members, had our activities in connection with the harvest cut short on the 21st day of June, 1918, the longest day of the year, when the sun was at its zenith in the heavens. It was at that hour that the sentence was pronounced upon our seven representatives.

This matter is further emphasized when we look into the details of the circumstances as they occurred. Our brethren were convicted the day previous (June 20th), and the Court had announced that at noon on the following day he would pronounce sentence. About 11 A. M. the officers came to Raymond Street jail and took our brethren to the courthouse. Everything was arranged just before 12 o'clock for the judge to make his appearance in the court room and pronounce the sentence according to schedule. But 12 o'clock came, then 12:10, 12 :30, 12 :40, and the judge had not yet put in his appearance. He did not arrive and impose sentence until 1 P.M.

"Oh," you say, "I am sorry he spoiled the picture. Why couldn't he have gotten there on time?" I do not know why. He did not explain, but merely apologized for having been delayed an hour; and then he pronounced the sentence at 1 P. M. instead of 12 o'clock, — as announced. But, isn't it a fact, that all the clocks were running one hour fast all last summer? (Laughter.) And if he had pronounced that sentence at 12, it would have been one hour before the sun reached its zenith in the heavens, on this longest day in the year. The Lord permitted him to be one hour late in order that the sentence might come upon the seven representatives of the feet members of the body at exactly high noon, when the sun was at its very highest point in the heavens.

And then the sun began to wane, even as the moon waned back there at the crucifixion of our Lord, and showed the passing away of the privileges upon the nominal Jewish house. Just so, this pictures the passing away of the privileges of nominal Christendom down here. The picture is complete.

Let us see further: the 13th of Nisan back there when the Lord was crucified occurred on Friday. You look at the calendar and you will find the 21st day of June in the year 1918 came upon a Friday.
Furthermore, the Lord was found guilty the night previous, — Thursday, at a late hour. Our brethren, the seven representatives of the Feet Members of Christ, were found guilty the night previous, at a late hour.

I tell you we cannot say that these are merely coincidences and that the hand of God has not been in the whole circumstances; we cannot shut our eyes and say this is merely an incident in which seven or eight men were involved. It is something in which you and I and everyone as members of the feet of Christ are involved.

So...I don't think that a person can find a specific bible scripture that says the WTS was appointed as God's "slave" in 1919, but it wouldn't surprise me if there are some dusty old documents archived somewhere that indicate who actually appointed the WTS to "be in charge of their belongings" in and around the time of 1919. Someone who bailed out Rutherford and his publishing schemes after the WTS was left in ruins as a result of the jail terms that Rutherford and his buddies landed (which were miraculously cut short). Someone who really is that "Jehovah" that the WTS is accountable to. A Jonadab type person/entity.

Whoever it was that "appointed" the WTS to be their caretakers in 1919 won't be named in the bible - they will be behind closed doors shaking hands with the WTS. And I think that the hand shaking started when Rutherford was still in the Atlanta jail - shaking hands with people just like him who were being held as political prisoners. People just as interested as Rutherford was in making money and gaining power.

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Mexico ends use of House-to-House Record & Please Follow Up

by wifibandit in

in a letter to all congregations dated april 27, 2016 the central american branch (mexico) has ended the use of s-8-s and s-43-s.

OrphanCrow

IlTTAT - thanks for that leg work. It doesn't surprise me. The news media is full of planted stories of all kinds.

And, the WT is notorious for planting 'news' stories. So many JW stories are simply press releases that originate from the Tower.