i have two honest questions for everyone here.
i understand that most here want retribution from the courts against watchtower for child abuse allegations.
but let us take away the instances where someone was accused of child abuse and then later put back into a position of authority, such as an elder or an ms. let us just take the cases where a regular publisher or even an appointed person, with no previous accusation of child abuse has come up against that person.
Richard: Yes I have read the ARC report.
And you still don't understand why the victims are taking the Watchtower Society to court?????
You still think the court cases should be dropped? After reading all those documents? After reading the transcripts and statements of the victims?
i have two honest questions for everyone here.
i understand that most here want retribution from the courts against watchtower for child abuse allegations.
but let us take away the instances where someone was accused of child abuse and then later put back into a position of authority, such as an elder or an ms. let us just take the cases where a regular publisher or even an appointed person, with no previous accusation of child abuse has come up against that person.
Richard, you said "I have also researched this issue with actual reviews of briefs, decisions on summary judgments and other legal proceedings."
Have you researched these documents? Any of them at all?
Or are you a one-sided wonder who doesn't bother to find out how complex this issue really is?
i've been noticing lots of these pins on lapels.
i could almost understand the jwdotorg pin because the new mantra is to go to the website.
but why on earth are they sporting a building?
Richard: I said no corporation associated with watchtower meaning that watchtower is not making money off of these items. I made that point because people on this thread immediately said it was a way for watchtower to make more money. I said what I said to highlight watchtower does not make money off of them.
Don't be silly. Of course the WT makes money from them.
It is called "donations". You know...from those guys who are stepping out on their own and making coin from selling those popular little marketing devices.
The org likes it. Free advertising and more money for those "donation" boxes.
i have two honest questions for everyone here.
i understand that most here want retribution from the courts against watchtower for child abuse allegations.
but let us take away the instances where someone was accused of child abuse and then later put back into a position of authority, such as an elder or an ms. let us just take the cases where a regular publisher or even an appointed person, with no previous accusation of child abuse has come up against that person.
Richard: OrphanCrow. I did not insult any person. I gave my opinion.
You can call it an opinion if you want...but it doesn't change the insult that you levied against the entire forum when you stated that opinion.
Do I think that the right way is by suing them? I do not. I have also researched this issue with actual reviews of briefs, decisions on summary judgments and other legal proceedings. So many people here think that it is an automatic win against Watchtower, but honestly there are more losses than there are wins.
You still don't get it, do you?
The court cases are for the victims to get redress for the harm that they have suffered. Period.
And, regardless if there are California and other courts that can't see the forest for the trees, there are legal systems that do agree that the WT is responsible for the harm that many victims have suffered.
And yes...there certainly are more losses than wins. You have that correct. It is very difficult for victims to get the redress that they deserve. Many victims have lost and most of them didn't even have to go to court to chalk up their losses. All they had to do was be in touch in some way with the WTS for them to lose.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/t06777k65p11e53/20160521e.pdf?dl=0.
may 21, 2016. we are pleased to inform you that electronic versions of the annual items for 2017 will be made available for download on jw.org beginning in october of this year.
this includes examining the scriptures daily—2017 and the 2017 yearbook of jehovah’s witnesses.
bohm: Thanks, orphan!
Haha! My working memory isn't all that great but me and google are pretty tight :)
i have two honest questions for everyone here.
i understand that most here want retribution from the courts against watchtower for child abuse allegations.
but let us take away the instances where someone was accused of child abuse and then later put back into a position of authority, such as an elder or an ms. let us just take the cases where a regular publisher or even an appointed person, with no previous accusation of child abuse has come up against that person.
Outlaw: "Why can`t ex-JW`s leave the WBT$ and just move on?"..
The thread is complete..
Watchtower isn`t the problem,ex-JW`s are..
And...it appears like Richard's myopic vision isn't the problem either...it is the members on this forum, according to Richard.
Such a typical knee jerk response instead of addressing the replies to his concerns..."oh, it is youze guys who are the problem".
Way to go, Richard. Just come out and insult every person on this forum and then bow out. A mature and intelligent response (not).
Good luck.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/t06777k65p11e53/20160521e.pdf?dl=0.
may 21, 2016. we are pleased to inform you that electronic versions of the annual items for 2017 will be made available for download on jw.org beginning in october of this year.
this includes examining the scriptures daily—2017 and the 2017 yearbook of jehovah’s witnesses.
bohm: when does the YB normally come out?
The 2015 YB was available for download January 5, 2015
The 2016 YB was available for download December 25, 2015
https://www.dropbox.com/s/t06777k65p11e53/20160521e.pdf?dl=0.
may 21, 2016. we are pleased to inform you that electronic versions of the annual items for 2017 will be made available for download on jw.org beginning in october of this year.
this includes examining the scriptures daily—2017 and the 2017 yearbook of jehovah’s witnesses.
darkspliver: Thought you might be interested?.....
What would be interesting rather than just an image that shows up as "google's best guess" = travel poster...would be a link to the actual alleged yearbook
i have two honest questions for everyone here.
i understand that most here want retribution from the courts against watchtower for child abuse allegations.
but let us take away the instances where someone was accused of child abuse and then later put back into a position of authority, such as an elder or an ms. let us just take the cases where a regular publisher or even an appointed person, with no previous accusation of child abuse has come up against that person.
richard: I know that I can't be apart of these X-JW communities because it doesn't seem like anyone apart of these communities can move on.
Lol!!!!
And this is why I keep coming back. For my daily laugh.
:)
i have two honest questions for everyone here.
i understand that most here want retribution from the courts against watchtower for child abuse allegations.
but let us take away the instances where someone was accused of child abuse and then later put back into a position of authority, such as an elder or an ms. let us just take the cases where a regular publisher or even an appointed person, with no previous accusation of child abuse has come up against that person.
Richard: My point is that it is a complete issue that requires actual steps and not just expecting lawsuits to solve the problem.
Go to page 61 of this document and read it.
It isn't just your point, it is the point of the Royal Commission that the problems with the Watchtower Society's religion (the JWs) are larger and more far reaching than just the lack of reporting to authorities.
The areas within the organization that need to be addressed are numerous.
When it comes to addressing the child abuse within the JWs, the problem requires an internal change - the policies and doctrines within the organization are what fosters an environment for child abuse.
I know you would like us to keep looking outside of the organization that you are defending, Richard...but...that isn't going to work. That is a Watchtower tactic and we, along with people like those who are involved with the ARC, aren't buying it. We know that the problems are internal. And so does the Royal Commission.
Of course lawsuits aren't going to solve the problem. The lawsuits are meant as redemption for the victims. The lawsuits are meant to solve their problems - the victims' problems. The lawsuits' purpose is not to make the Watchtower change. The purpose is to make the WT accountable and to make them pay. They OWE the victims. The lawsuits are to ensure that that debt is paid.
