Posts by OrphanCrow

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Honest Questions About Child Abuse

by Richard Oliver in

i have two honest questions for everyone here.

i understand that most here want retribution from the courts against watchtower for child abuse allegations.

but let us take away the instances where someone was accused of child abuse and then later put back into a position of authority, such as an elder or an ms. let us just take the cases where a regular publisher or even an appointed person, with no previous accusation of child abuse has come up against that person.

OrphanCrow

Vidiot: ...I still think that if it were revealed - and confirmed - that there were/are abusers in the very highest echelons of the Org (or riddled throughout at the grassroots level, for that matter, as the pedo database would no doubt reveal)

I have thought of this off and on and recently realized that the probability of there being victims of sex abuse at the higher echelons is a higher probability than there being abusers.

Which, too, would explain the secrecy and reluctance to comply with turning over the records. Who would be named as victims? And by who? The victims are the ones entrusted with keeping the secret. Whose secret are they keeping?

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Honest Questions About Child Abuse

by Richard Oliver in

i have two honest questions for everyone here.

i understand that most here want retribution from the courts against watchtower for child abuse allegations.

but let us take away the instances where someone was accused of child abuse and then later put back into a position of authority, such as an elder or an ms. let us just take the cases where a regular publisher or even an appointed person, with no previous accusation of child abuse has come up against that person.

OrphanCrow

Richard. You have come on here and taken the position that the court cases are a vindictive act undertaken by people who want to take down the Watchtower.

This is where you are wrong.

You have stated that laws need to change, and what you fail to realize is that it is these cases that fail, the ones that pile up and pile up...all failures...are what lead to a final and decisive victory in changing laws. The laws that you say need to change. That change comes from the victims speaking out. Over and over again.

Don't be myopic - just take a look at that org you are defending. Look to the way they have fought their legal battles. Loss after loss after loss. All the way to the Supreme Court sometimes. And then a victory. Which they crow about for like...forever.

That is what the court cases, instigated by child sex abuse victims, that are being lost are doing - they are paving the way for some smart lawyer to take the WT by the tail and shake it. In a Supreme Court ruling would be nice.

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Honest Questions About Child Abuse

by Richard Oliver in

i have two honest questions for everyone here.

i understand that most here want retribution from the courts against watchtower for child abuse allegations.

but let us take away the instances where someone was accused of child abuse and then later put back into a position of authority, such as an elder or an ms. let us just take the cases where a regular publisher or even an appointed person, with no previous accusation of child abuse has come up against that person.

OrphanCrow

Richard: Yes I have read the ARC report.

And you still don't understand why the victims are taking the Watchtower Society to court?????

You still think the court cases should be dropped? After reading all those documents? After reading the transcripts and statements of the victims?

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Honest Questions About Child Abuse

by Richard Oliver in

i have two honest questions for everyone here.

i understand that most here want retribution from the courts against watchtower for child abuse allegations.

but let us take away the instances where someone was accused of child abuse and then later put back into a position of authority, such as an elder or an ms. let us just take the cases where a regular publisher or even an appointed person, with no previous accusation of child abuse has come up against that person.

OrphanCrow

Richard, you said "I have also researched this issue with actual reviews of briefs, decisions on summary judgments and other legal proceedings."

Have you researched these documents? Any of them at all?

http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/case-study/636f01a5-50db-4b59-a35e-a24ae07fb0ad/case-study-29,-july-2015,-sydney

Or are you a one-sided wonder who doesn't bother to find out how complex this issue really is?

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watchtower lapel pins

by wannaexit in

jw
friends

i've been noticing lots of these pins on lapels.

i could almost understand the jwdotorg pin because the new mantra is to go to the website.

but why on earth are they sporting a building?

OrphanCrow

Richard: I said no corporation associated with watchtower meaning that watchtower is not making money off of these items. I made that point because people on this thread immediately said it was a way for watchtower to make more money. I said what I said to highlight watchtower does not make money off of them.

Don't be silly. Of course the WT makes money from them.

It is called "donations". You know...from those guys who are stepping out on their own and making coin from selling those popular little marketing devices.

The org likes it. Free advertising and more money for those "donation" boxes.

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Honest Questions About Child Abuse

by Richard Oliver in

i have two honest questions for everyone here.

i understand that most here want retribution from the courts against watchtower for child abuse allegations.

but let us take away the instances where someone was accused of child abuse and then later put back into a position of authority, such as an elder or an ms. let us just take the cases where a regular publisher or even an appointed person, with no previous accusation of child abuse has come up against that person.

OrphanCrow

Richard: OrphanCrow. I did not insult any person. I gave my opinion.

You can call it an opinion if you want...but it doesn't change the insult that you levied against the entire forum when you stated that opinion.

Do I think that the right way is by suing them? I do not. I have also researched this issue with actual reviews of briefs, decisions on summary judgments and other legal proceedings. So many people here think that it is an automatic win against Watchtower, but honestly there are more losses than there are wins.

You still don't get it, do you?

The court cases are for the victims to get redress for the harm that they have suffered. Period.

And, regardless if there are California and other courts that can't see the forest for the trees, there are legal systems that do agree that the WT is responsible for the harm that many victims have suffered.

And yes...there certainly are more losses than wins. You have that correct. It is very difficult for victims to get the redress that they deserve. Many victims have lost and most of them didn't even have to go to court to chalk up their losses. All they had to do was be in touch in some way with the WTS for them to lose.

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2017 Yearbook - Still Waiting

by berrygerry in

https://www.dropbox.com/s/t06777k65p11e53/20160521e.pdf?dl=0.

may 21, 2016. we are pleased to inform you that electronic versions of the annual items for 2017 will be made available for download on jw.org beginning in october of this year.

this includes examining the scriptures daily—2017 and the 2017 yearbook of jehovah’s witnesses.

OrphanCrow

bohm: Thanks, orphan!

Haha! My working memory isn't all that great but me and google are pretty tight :)

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Honest Questions About Child Abuse

by Richard Oliver in

i have two honest questions for everyone here.

i understand that most here want retribution from the courts against watchtower for child abuse allegations.

but let us take away the instances where someone was accused of child abuse and then later put back into a position of authority, such as an elder or an ms. let us just take the cases where a regular publisher or even an appointed person, with no previous accusation of child abuse has come up against that person.

OrphanCrow

Outlaw: "Why can`t ex-JW`s leave the WBT$ and just move on?"..
The thread is complete..
Watchtower isn`t the problem,ex-JW`s are..

And...it appears like Richard's myopic vision isn't the problem either...it is the members on this forum, according to Richard.

Such a typical knee jerk response instead of addressing the replies to his concerns..."oh, it is youze guys who are the problem".

Way to go, Richard. Just come out and insult every person on this forum and then bow out. A mature and intelligent response (not).

Good luck.

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2017 Yearbook - Still Waiting

by berrygerry in

https://www.dropbox.com/s/t06777k65p11e53/20160521e.pdf?dl=0.

may 21, 2016. we are pleased to inform you that electronic versions of the annual items for 2017 will be made available for download on jw.org beginning in october of this year.

this includes examining the scriptures daily—2017 and the 2017 yearbook of jehovah’s witnesses.

OrphanCrow

bohm: when does the YB normally come out?

The 2015 YB was available for download January 5, 2015

The 2016 YB was available for download December 25, 2015

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2017 Yearbook - Still Waiting

by berrygerry in

https://www.dropbox.com/s/t06777k65p11e53/20160521e.pdf?dl=0.

may 21, 2016. we are pleased to inform you that electronic versions of the annual items for 2017 will be made available for download on jw.org beginning in october of this year.

this includes examining the scriptures daily—2017 and the 2017 yearbook of jehovah’s witnesses.

OrphanCrow

darkspliver: Thought you might be interested?.....

What would be interesting rather than just an image that shows up as "google's best guess" = travel poster...would be a link to the actual alleged yearbook