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  Any updates on the org's $4000 per day fine?

  by The Searcher in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  http://www.sandiegoreader.com/news/2016/jun/24/ticker-judge-sanctions-jehovahs-witnesses/#.

  it's heading towards $900,000 now..

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  That's better, Richard.

  Yes, there are indications that the appeal will proceed...but that is all they are - indications. We have to wait for that to be an actual fact.

  Gotta get those facts straight.
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  Any updates on the org's $4000 per day fine?

  by The Searcher in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  http://www.sandiegoreader.com/news/2016/jun/24/ticker-judge-sanctions-jehovahs-witnesses/#.

  it's heading towards $900,000 now..

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  Landy: The way RO has been treated on this thread for simply presenting useful info is pretty shocking

  Yes, Landy, Richard has presented useful information.

  My issue with Richard's useful information is the way he has presented it.

  Richard has stated the WT's position as though the appeal has been granted and will proceed.

  That is not accurate. The court has stated that the appeal may proceed but there is a condition to that proceeding, and it is this: "The appealability of the order may be subject to further consideration during the pendency of the appeal."

  Richard presents useful information, but it is important to realize that his presentation is almost always biased towards the Watchtower. Yes, on this forum, you will find people who will get their facts wrong and be always looking for the ways to slam the Watchtower.

  Sure, Richard gives the forum balance - his views are always slanted to show the Watchtower in the best light. He gives the facts but he doesn't always present them without bias, and he doesn't always give all the facts. He words things in a way such that the reader is led to believe something other than what those facts mean.
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  Any updates on the org's $4000 per day fine?

  by The Searcher in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  http://www.sandiegoreader.com/news/2016/jun/24/ticker-judge-sanctions-jehovahs-witnesses/#.

  it's heading towards $900,000 now..

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  RO: I never said that there is going one way or the other.

  No, you didn't.

  But you did say "And those are legitimate questions, at least the court thinks so..."

  That is a misrepresentation. The court has not stated that it thinks "those are legitimate questions".
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  Any updates on the org's $4000 per day fine?

  by The Searcher in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  http://www.sandiegoreader.com/news/2016/jun/24/ticker-judge-sanctions-jehovahs-witnesses/#.

  it's heading towards $900,000 now..

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  RO: And those are legitimate questions, at least the court thinks so...

  I read the court documents you linked to on another thread, Richard.

  According to the docket, the appeal can still be denied. It is not set in stone as you present it.The court actually doesn't think they are legitimate questions - that will only be determined when the appeal proceeds. The court has only agreed to hear an appeal but it was not based on whether the concerns were legitimate (that will be determined when and if the appeal proceeds). The issue that has held it up is whether or not the sanctions can even be appealed. The court has reluctantly agreed to let an appeal proceed but that can still be changed

  On August 3, 2016, we sent a letter to counsel asking why this case should not be dismissed as from a nonappealable order as it was unclear from the terms of the sanctions order whether the amount of sanctions exceeded the $5, 000 threshold allowing for a direct appeal pursuant to Code of Civil Procedure section 904.1, subdivision (a)(12). Appellant's counsel responded, establishing that sanctions pursuant to the order had accrued in the amount of $48, 000 by the time of the filing of the notice of appeal, therefore exceeding the $5, 000 threshold. The appeal may proceed. The appealability of the order may be subject to further consideration during the pendency of the appeal.

  Reading the history of the Watchtower's attempts to get an appeal even heard (a sanction under $5000 cannot be appealed), it becomes apparent that the Watchtower could be treading on thin ice.

  The words that come to mind are "frivolous appeal". Jus' sayin'

  
  
  
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  Watchtower and Emoji's - your thoughts

  by Tallon in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  on the jw.org website, the watchtower is sending out a strong warning with regard to emoji's & flirting.. my personal view is that the org is now trying to micro-manage just about every aspect of people's lives!.

  https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/family/teenagers/worksheets/friendly-or-flirtatious/.

  ps: 'quotes are from julia, ellen and tara.

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  These new worksheets telling girls how to use emoji's are a clear example of how the WT's policies are responsible for creating a climate of victimization.

  The worksheets, in effect, are part of the "grooming package" that comes along with JW membership. By placing the responsibility for others' reactions on the girls for sending the wrong message, the WT has silenced the victims before they can even speak by telling them that any unwanted attention is their fault. The girls sent the wrong message. The girls behaved wrongly.

  For an organization that has to appear in front of the Royal Commission again in March, to explain what they are doing to change their policies in order to better protect victims, these worksheets could be very damaging*.

  *the worksheets have been sent to the ARC
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  Baumgartner - Dr. Mark Morehart: State of Washington Appeal Court - aborted use of cell saver machine

  by darkspilver in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  for information:.

  court of appeals of the state of washingtondivision iidocket number: 48070-1file date: 01/24/2017.

  keisha baumgartner appeals the summary judgment dismissal of her medical malpractice wrongful death claim against anesthesiologist dr. mark morehart and columbia anesthesia group, p.s.

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  I presumed it was the official court record, I got to it through the official Washington Court Website- it's not a newspaper article written by a journalist, it is a court document.

  Okay. Public court document.

  Focusing on a moot point like 'heaven' is a red herring

  Just because the JWs will get their shirt in a knot over a doctrinal point doesn't mean it is important in the context it was presented
  
  
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  Baumgartner - Dr. Mark Morehart: State of Washington Appeal Court - aborted use of cell saver machine

  by darkspilver in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  for information:.

  court of appeals of the state of washingtondivision iidocket number: 48070-1file date: 01/24/2017.

  keisha baumgartner appeals the summary judgment dismissal of her medical malpractice wrongful death claim against anesthesiologist dr. mark morehart and columbia anesthesia group, p.s.

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  ILoveTTAT: "A Jehovah’s Witness who receives a blood transfusion in violation of this belief will be excommunicated from the church and will not go to heaven."
  FFS... why doesn't anyone ever report accurately on JW's?

  
  

  This is something that so many JWs (and exJWs) love to pounce on - the inability of outsiders to stay on top of, or to learn, the weirdness of the Jehovah's Witness doctrine.

  My reaction to this is...why tf should they have to get all the f***ing stupid details of JW theology correct? The JW theology concerning heaven is such a minor point - the only ones who have difficulty with this are the ones who have the need to see the JW religion as unique

  This article is written for the public - the public doesn't care if "heaven" is the promise the cult gives their members or if "eternal life on earth" is the promise that is held out as the carrot.

  Getting 'heaven' mixed up with 'life forever on earth' is a detail that is apparent only to those who think it matters. It doesn't.

  
  

  
  
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  This site should be called Anti-Jehovahs-Witnesses Cry-babies

  by the-Question in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so, you left because of a bad example(s).. why all the whining?

  nothing better to do with your time?.

  you at least know far more about the bible than any church-goer?.

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  nicolaou: Not overly proud of my previous comment, it was a snap reaction. My apologies.

  It was an honest reaction

  I "liked" your comment - it summed up what I wanted to say perfectly
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  What happened to Rolf Furuli?

  by Vidqun in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  rolf seems to have disappeared from the face of the earth.

  he is not active on b-hebrew or other message boards anymore.

  i wrote to him with a query, and has not heard a thing.

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  caleb: Any updates on Mr. 607?

  
  

  

  The Name of God
  Documentary Film,
  DVD, 58 minutes in 2014
  (languages: German, English, French, Danish)
  . The only name of God, YHWH, appears in more than 6,000 times in the Hebrew Scriptures
  and there is no doubt what we "sanctify" this name, as taught by the "Our Father"
  Yet millions of Jews and Christians do not do not even know the divine name. Their prayers addressed to God, so often seems unclear what is meant Lord -. The "Lord" Jesus or "Lord" God
  is more important, the title "Lord" has a connotation disconcerting once you know that "Lord" is "Baal" means in the ancient languages ​​of Babylon
  This documentary examines whether the concealment of name God is really in harmony with the original Scriptures - and far more, is the correct pronunciation of YHWH can be found again.
  This documentary film is academically and scientifically supported by:
  Rolf Furuli, Norway
  Gérard Gertoux, France Financing (LLRFF) and Laura Lorenz Family Foundation Additional;
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  JWs in Russia- "Pray for those in prison"

  by NikL in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  last night at the midweek meeting was a part titled "pray for those in prison" or something like that.. they showed a video all about the witnesses in russia and the court battles they've been fighting of late and the hard time they have been having because of it all.. the first thing that struck me, hey, why don't you a** holes in brooklyn send these poor sods a few rubles to help them along?.

  nah!

  prayer is what they need.. anyway, i hadn't really followed the story so i thought i would look it up this morning and see what was in the media about the story.. on the npr website they had a big write up about it back in may of last year.... http://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2016/05/17/476898973/russias-jehovahs-witnesses-fight-extremist-label-possible-ban.

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  undercover: It is troubling that Russia is clamping down on, not just JWs, but any religion/sect that doesn't meet their strict interpretation of what is acceptable worship.

  Something that is critical about the Jehovah's Witnesses worship/practice that puts them in a unfavorable position in Russia is the JWs' religious practice of insisting on Jehovah Law as superior to the existing secular law.

  'Acceptable worship' in Russia does not mean that, for example, a Muslim sect can practice and attempt to establish Sharia law. A Muslim sect that tries to establish Sharia law will be banned and likewise, when the JWs insist on preaching that it is Jehovah law that must prevail upon all people, they can expect to be labelled "extremist" and banned as well.

  The JWs do not respect "earthly" government. And they are proud of it. They jump up and down and cheer for the destruction of government, so it can be replaced with Jehovah Law, at the very same time that they walk around and try to claim that they are "politically neutral".

  The JWs claim to be a religion but their purpose and practice is very political.