Posts by OrphanCrow

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Women must not instruct men, even by singing a theocratic song.

by Ultimate Axiom in

i did a quick search and this doesn’t appear to have been commented on here, but if it has been, i apologise in advance for starting an unnecessary thread.. regarding a change to a song title, the study article on page 7 paragraph 17 of november 2017 watchtower explained, “the change of the title “guard your heart” to “we guard our hearts” was most considerate.

in the audience at our meetings, assemblies, and conventions are many new ones, interested ones, young ones, and sisters who by singing the words would be put in the awkward position of telling others what to do.

so the title and the lyrics were modified.”.

OrphanCrow

IslandMan: But there's a stark contradiction here: Women are allowed to preach to men in the house to house ministry. So it's not just sexism. It's bigoted sexism. It's ok for JW women to instruct non-JW men in the ministry because worldly men are somehow inferior. Baptized JW men are superior. Us vs them and sexism rolled into one.

I think that is a critical observation

This goes towards explaining the dynamics of why a JW woman would/could tolerate the extreme submissiveness required for their position. When you add in the component of "us vs them", which results in elitism, a person can better understand a JW woman

Being a JW woman comes part and parcel with the notion that they are better than all other women and not only that, they are more special/better than any other man on the planet

Their elevated position above all the rest of humanity is what carries them through their servile and shameful submission to male authority. It is only JW males who dominate them - the rest of the males are beneath their lofty and privileged position. And besides, once they get through their penance here and they bust through the gate after Armageddon....Jah will fix all that

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Evolution doesn't happen today...WRONG...

by HowTheBibleWasCreated in

last year i had a brother tell me that one proof evolution is false is that he doesn't see it happening today... i was going to bring of viruses evolving so fast that new vaccines must be developed each year but felt he was too closed minded to receive it.

today i was listening to the audio book of 'an ancestors tale- richard dawkins' and noted oe point that shined through.. here is evolution happening>>>.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/evolution/library/05/2/l_052_05.html.

OrphanCrow

venus:
But here is the twist: atheists regard the evidence he garnered over a lifetime as nonsense, while conveniently forgetting that Dr Stevenson was as much an atheist as any of them

Yeah

It's a twist all right

You are certainly right about that. You have twisted the issue. The validity of his process has nothing at all to do with his belief system or lack of belief system

You only think it does

The validity and reliability of the process he used to gather his information is what was in question

Not his lack of belief in a god

29

Russia is Smart

by Kohanic in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhnseocpffq.

so according to the law department's meeting in feb 2016, russia has been studying the linguistics of the watchtower articles and discovered its brainwashing abilities!.

lol it's funny now that i'm on the russian side of this debate now, ban them all!.

OrphanCrow

Here is another excerpt from the Russian report:

Psycholinguistic analysis showed that in the texts Witnesses Iegogy "implemented targeted contextually-related changes in the semantic structure of words. Thus, by a shift in the concept of "society", aimed at narrowing the world picture and links to them only within and through the organization of Jehovah's Witnesses. The concept of "family" is superseded in favor of the concept of "community" within the meaning of "members of our organization." The concept of "happiness" is changed to the concept of "service" (goals of our organization).. All this creates a special language with a particular emotional-semantic content, aspiring to the psychological impact on the consciousness of the perceiver, to change his language and non-linguistic world image, the inspiration needed to humble submission discipline narrow community and its hierarchy.

*note: Iegogy, I believe, is "Jehovah" (bad google translate)

29

Russia is Smart

by Kohanic in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhnseocpffq.

so according to the law department's meeting in feb 2016, russia has been studying the linguistics of the watchtower articles and discovered its brainwashing abilities!.

lol it's funny now that i'm on the russian side of this debate now, ban them all!.

OrphanCrow

Pete: These Russian JW's turned tail and ran, leaving their fellow JW's in the lurch.

The ones who left were the ones with the money to do so

And they went to warm places. From listening to the chatter on the eu forum, some of them are suntanning on a nice beach somewhere. Never mind the ones who are dreamin' California style

*you're welcome Sparrow

29

Russia is Smart

by Kohanic in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhnseocpffq.

so according to the law department's meeting in feb 2016, russia has been studying the linguistics of the watchtower articles and discovered its brainwashing abilities!.

lol it's funny now that i'm on the russian side of this debate now, ban them all!.

OrphanCrow

Pete: It's a sad commentary that no one in an audience made up of high level Bible Students and self proclaimed Bible Authorities, knew that Jesus was the second most frequently found name written in the Bible.

I had that reaction as well.

A sad commentary indeed when they claim to be "Christ"ians

Another observation that Cedars made and that I found was an ironic use of language (not sure if "ironic" is the right description)

I found it strange that Rumley was lamenting about the linguistic analysis not conforming to what the WTS/org considers "correct" and making remarks about how their literature wasn't extremist or violent, and yet he started off by using a violent image to talk about the situation. First, it was the image of a poor little ant getting run over by a big train - squished flat and obliterated. Poor little ant so violently killed. And then, he wasn't finished with making sure that his audience had a violent image firmly planted in their minds: this time it was the image of that big Russian train hurtling towards a mountain - "and we all know what happens when the train hits the mountain"

Everyone listening to Rumley's speech will leave with pictures of violence in their brains

And "they" still don't get it. Or maybe they do and they are just being assholes

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Russia is Smart

by Kohanic in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhnseocpffq.

so according to the law department's meeting in feb 2016, russia has been studying the linguistics of the watchtower articles and discovered its brainwashing abilities!.

lol it's funny now that i'm on the russian side of this debate now, ban them all!.

OrphanCrow

Diogenesister: Lloyd Evans picked up on that and showed the head of the legal department actually describing what linguistics study entails. He actually said that they will look at a book etc and if the language used is such that someone will be "mind controlled" by the end of it, then that is extremist literature and *that* is how they determined whether an organization is extremist; essentially whether their literature brainwashed people.
Guess what? Yup, Watchtower literature passed the mind controll test with flying colours!!! I couldn't believe it! That he actually told his jw audience this is why Russia shut Watchtower down. That was the reason. He said this type of linguistic study is unknown over here but roll on, bring it on I say if this is the result!

I watched the video

I think some things were a bit misrepresented. Rumley (sp?) introduced the Russians' linguistic analysis of the WT texts as "a new tactic" when it isn't. Not really. Not if you consider that Russian linguistic specialists submitted a report to the Moscow court back in 1999 (19 years ago)

There were several more points that the Russian experts considered in addition to whether "someone will be "mind controlled""

I have a translated copy of that 1999 report (hard to read because academic language doesn't seem to translate very well) and I can post it or make it available for anyone who is interested in knowing the gist of what the linguistic analysis entailed at that time

Here is an excerpt from that report:

Analysis of the texts of Jehovah's Witnesses identify them the following common properties. Subjects texts systematically carried out a sustained theme: humanity and every individual threatens the powerful enemy of good - Satan. It intrigues, engages people in sin, leading mankind to the death and torture, in the near future the day will come the final battle - Armageddon.

Mankind will suffer "great tribulation" - famine, pestilence, war, natural disasters, the only salvation for the people - turning to God, namely, the deity of Jehovah, who will destroy Satan and his minions, all the servants of evil, all non-members of the community, "Witnesses" and after the Armageddon survivors waiting happiness in the kingdom of Jehovah, inhabitants of the earth will be subject to equitable heavenly government;

Thus dominated by themes of the destruction of the infidels will of the people and the forces of Jehovah's Witnesses and salvation only those who 'adherence to the "Witnesses" avoid shocks, tortures and deaths. This injection creates the mood of fear, ominous tones which aggravated multiple descriptions of the human disasters in general - past, present and future.

Psychological and ideological consciousness of this motif directs the receiver to close a hypnotic stupor in front of a fatal course of events. At the same time it prepares the mind perceiving the motive to the activities in the mode of catastrophically-war, siege, destsiplinarno-organized resistance and offensive.

Emotionally dominant semantic analysis of texts proposed to form a saturated vocabulary "sad" and "dark" mood. Auto shortchanging with export psycholinguistic computer program "Baal" shows the following. 22 %. "Light" lexicon (God, faith, apostle, soul, humanity, the universe, the confidence, the true value, equity) is in the texts of the Jehovah's Witnesses to 22%. "Sad" and "dark" vocabulary (violence, corruption, destruction, suffering, persecution, dying, slavery, hunger, cold, intrigues, lies, slander) is also up to 22%, which is a critical value, builds the context of all printed materials " witnesses "as depressing, inspiring vision of the world as anti-humane system of things, forcing anxiety, fear, suspicion and bitterness.

Readability of Jehovah's Witnesses as a whole ensures the formation of their audiences: a) a sense of impotence, passively waiting for life-saving instructions, and b) willingness to nervous-inflated identification parade in the world and the people of his notorious enemies with a disposition to aggressive and embittered opposition to them.

II). The foregoing disposition differs significantly from the key embedded in the common Christian category of "fear of God." Standing out against the backdrop of these other religions, the texts of the Jehovah's Witnesses particularly exploit the motive of terror before the coming end. Fanning fear a persistent recurrence of the eschatological views (end of the world, etc.) accompanied by traditional and canonical biblical emphasis. The total abundance in the texts of quotations from authoritative sources (precedent) is giving the publications of Jehovah's Witnesses and the greatest weight at the same time removes the need for additional treatment to the primary sources.. In this regard, the distortion of the original meaning of the quoted is particularly significant. Separation quotes from their context and their significant reduction of distorting disorient the receiver to understand and religious tradition and modern reality.

Thus, life-affirming Psalm 148 appears in the publication of "The Place of the youth in God's order is" equipped "depressive-dark" insert:
We are now living under the oppression of an evil system
, one that will soon turn to dust and ashes,
All the force necessary to deal with it to us.

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Do you have JW-related dreams (nightmares)?

by compound complex in

greetings, dreamers:.

i guess it's never going away: daytime carryovers of jw-related stuff seeping into my dreams.. the majority of these dreams take place at conventions but with really weird trappings.

last night i dreamed i arrived at the site with no books, no lunch, nothing but my car keys.

OrphanCrow

Coco, there is a theory that when you dream of vehicles, that the vehicle is a metaphor for either your life or the life of the person the vehicle is attached to.

Using that interpretation, I would say that you view the guy (representing all the JWs you don't know) as having an outdated life. Vintage. Old and outdated. Filled with baggage. Nice but no longer up to today's standards.

I am not sure about the view of your life tho...maybe it is simply that your life is classy (classic) but you also left it behind in order to attend the convention (but it is waiting for you when you leave that environment)

Happy dreams!

:)

29

Russia is Smart

by Kohanic in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhnseocpffq.

so according to the law department's meeting in feb 2016, russia has been studying the linguistics of the watchtower articles and discovered its brainwashing abilities!.

lol it's funny now that i'm on the russian side of this debate now, ban them all!.

OrphanCrow

I think Russia has a long memory

"Babylon the Great Has Fallen and God's Kingdom Rules" can still be found despite the org's attempts to stifle their history

340

Calling Cofty and others regarding evolution

by dubstepped in

jw
friends

so i have started down the path of trying to understand evolution, and to get the linear lies that the jws planted in my head out of it.

i bought an audiobook called "evolution: what the fossils say and why it matters" by donald prothero.

i heard it recommended on an atheist podcast that i listened to.

OrphanCrow

are there higher percentages of genetic illnesses found in the female population?

Actually, it is the male population that will exhibit more of certain genetic illnesses (hemophilia, for one)

The female will often be the one to carry genetic illnesses and the male will acquire it

This is because defects in the X chromosome can be overcome in the female with the other x chromosome making up for the defect. However, in the male, if they inherit an x chromosome that carries the genetic illness, they don't have another x chromosome to pick up the job and correct for the defective chromosone

Males are XY and their Y chromosome won't have the ability to overcome the x defect

28

Conspiracy theorys

by atomant in

its great to see new subject matter being injected into the room of late and would be good to see others contribute by opening new threads on their favorite topics.heres a few examples.9/11.

ufo's.

atom bombs are they real?

OrphanCrow

Has anyone else noticed that those who expound on conspiracy theories can't spell?

Thread title: conspiracy ~~theorys~~ theories

Drop the y and add "ies"

Easy peasy (grade one or grade two?)

And you want other people to take you seriously?

pfffft

Everyone said, back in the 90s, that the internet would make people smarter - dictionaries right at a person's fingertips!

yeah, right

Too lazy to use the tools that are available

USE A DICTIONARY!!!!!

And don't give me that shit that English is your second language