Posts by OrphanCrow

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Anti snake venom

by Chook in

what was wt view on anti venom in old days, considering it was made from blood.

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OrphanCrow

Blondie, I am of the non-vaccinated generation of JW kids. The ideas about vaccinations containing blood and a big no-no were still around when I arrived on the scene.

I am still not vaccinated. I have had the odd tetanus shot and recently, my first whooping couch vaccine. I don't respond well to vaccines and have had horrible reactions when I have tried in the past. Nasty.

I am not happy that I did not receive the vaccinations that were available for me when I was a kid...and that I still don't have most of them. All because of some stupid superstitious belief about blood

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WTS investment in Ford-Werke - 1943

by OrphanCrow in

*thanks to reddit poster ahilexxx for this information*.

the watchtower society was invested in the german branch of ford motor.

in 1943, their investment was worth $597,595 ($8,363,677.95 in today's value - over 8 million!)..

OrphanCrow

fisherman: ...the related document posted on this thread was used on this thread to misrepresent that the WT wrongfully invested in the Ford-Werke

Actually, fisherman, it was an error. Just a simple error...nothing deliberate. I don't usually post things without checking it out first and this time...I erred. I was lazy.

Not at all deliberate, I assure you.

But...it is interesting that the WTS had over 8 million in today's dollar invested in the German branch and that they had been established in Germany since 1903.

They made "the list" of American companies with significant investment in Germany during the war

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Evolution Gap - Where's the Fur?

by shadow in

evolution paints human ancestors covered with fur.

fur has several benefits as stated by britannica "the pelts of fur-bearing animals are called true furs when they consist of two elements: a dense undercoat, called ground hair, and longer hairs, extending beyond that layer, called guard hair.

the principal function of ground hair is to maintain the animal’s body temperature; that of guard hair is to protect the underlying fur and skin and to shed rain or snow.".

OrphanCrow

jacobm: How can the strongest, most agile, best adapted snake reproduce with the female if there are hundreds of other snakes all in a ridiculously complex wrestling match? There are too many variables.

Heehee...it sounds to me like it is the female who is the strongest, most agile and best adapted

;)

*to add - you are viewing the problem from a limited stance. If you take the view that it is the female who takes an active role in determining which sperm (do you call it that in snake procreation? I dunno much about snakes' sex life) make it to the fertilization process...the whole thing changes. The strongest most agile male doesn't matter...the female selection does. And the more males to choose from, all the better

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Anti snake venom

by Chook in

what was wt view on anti venom in old days, considering it was made from blood.

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OrphanCrow

blondie: The reason for this about turn? In 1952, when Jehovah’s Witnesses lifted the ban on vaccination, they wrote: "The matter of vaccination is one for the individual that has to face it to decide for himself. . . . And our Society cannot afford to be drawn into the affair legally or take the responsibility for the way the case turns out." (my emphasis – The Watchtower, 15 December 1952)

Heh...the real reason they lifted the vaccination ban was because unvaccinated JW missionaries weren't being allowed into other countries

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WTS investment in Ford-Werke - 1943

by OrphanCrow in

*thanks to reddit poster ahilexxx for this information*.

the watchtower society was invested in the german branch of ford motor.

in 1943, their investment was worth $597,595 ($8,363,677.95 in today's value - over 8 million!)..

OrphanCrow

Well...I apologize. Damn

That will teach me for just reading someone else's conclusions...

So sorry.

You guys are absolutely right...and the reddit poster (and me...) are wrong

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WTS investment in Ford-Werke - 1943

by OrphanCrow in

*thanks to reddit poster ahilexxx for this information*.

the watchtower society was invested in the german branch of ford motor.

in 1943, their investment was worth $597,595 ($8,363,677.95 in today's value - over 8 million!)..

OrphanCrow

sir82: Given that they spends tens or hundreds of millions per year on the care of their "special full time servants", it is reasonable to conclude that they have hundreds of millions or perhaps billions of dollars invested somewhere.
They would be supremely stupid to have that sort of money lying around in cash only

I agree. Of course the WTS would be stupid not to invest the millions/billions that they have "lying around". It is the hypocrisy of the investments that is worrisome. Do the JWs themselves know where their donations are invested?

The WTS is/was a corporation - a business. Of course they made outside investments...they always have. No secret there...unless you are just a r&f JW who dutifully fills the contribution box

What is hypocritical is asking for donations to further 'worldwide work' and instead, dumping those donations into 'wordly' investments.

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Evolution vs Creation.

by The Rebel in

jw
friends

looking at the board, i see so many long threads on " evoultion vs creation " ect, ect.. therefore if " your" qualifications are only those of " an" uneducated j.w, may i ask one question?.

q) what makes you feel you are now qualified to comment with absolute ,authority on any discussion?.

i ask the above question because for most of us " ex-witnesses " logic is still words written in the pages of an awake" magazine.

OrphanCrow

The Rebel: Well when I was a witness my opinion was held by 9 million other people, however it was nice to come out in the minority. So now on this board I am pleased to have my " independent" views and my opinions.

I think the use of terms is problematic on this forum.

An "opinion" is not quite the same as "belief" and I notice that a lot of posters misuse the terms. By applying the word "opinion" to concepts that require belief instead of opinion, it skews understanding.

An opinion is a judgment based on facts, an honest attempt to draw a reasonable conclusion from factual evidence. (For example, we know that millions of people go without proper medical care, and so you form the opinion that the country should institute national health insurance even though it would cost billions of dollars.) An opinion is potentially changeable--depending on how the evidence is interpreted. By themselves, opinions have little power to convince. You must always let your reader know what your evidence is and how it led you to arrive at your opinion.

Unlike an opinion, a belief is a conviction based on cultural or personal faith, morality, or values. Statements such as "Capital punishment is legalized murder" are often called "opinions" because they express viewpoints, but they are not based on facts or other evidence. They cannot be disproved or even contested in a rational or logical manner. Since beliefs are inarguable, they cannot serve as the thesis of a formal argument. (Emotional appeals can, of course, be useful if you happen to know that your audience shares those beliefs.)

http://writing.colostate.edu/guides/teaching/co300man/pop12d.cfm

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WTS investment in Ford-Werke - 1943

by OrphanCrow in

*thanks to reddit poster ahilexxx for this information*.

the watchtower society was invested in the german branch of ford motor.

in 1943, their investment was worth $597,595 ($8,363,677.95 in today's value - over 8 million!)..

OrphanCrow

*thanks to reddit poster Ahilexxx for this information*

The Watchtower Society was invested in the German branch of Ford Motor. In 1943, their investment was worth $597,595 ($8,363,677.95 in today's value - over 8 million!).

page 148 of this document:

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/Ford.pdf

I am curious as to whether or not the WTS still has investment in Ford Motor. For a 'religion' that collects donations for 'the worldwide work', what the WTS actually does with their money instead of promoting 'the good news' is quite interesting.

I also notice that the WTS appears to be the only 'religion' that was invested in Ford in 1943. The WTS was just another business looking to optimize the money that they collected from gullible parishioners. Mind you, the WTS referred to itself as a business rather than a religion at the time that this investment was made. Religious status didn't get established until after the war.

I am curious...how much money does the WTS really have? Where else has the WTS invested their 'donations'? Does the manufacture of vehicles in Germany during WW2 fall under the category of 'worldwide work'?

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"Jehovah’s Witnesses, Blood Transfusions, and the Tort of Misrepresentation " - Louderback-Wood

by OrphanCrow in

kelly louderback-wood has been discussed on a few threads on this forum, and i am not sure if a link to this essay has been posted before.

regardless...this is a valuable essay that helps a person wade through the misrepresentations that the wt publishes concerning their noblood stance.. jehovah’s witnesses, blood transfusions, and the tort of misrepresentation (download pdf).

the society’s main resource regarding its blood policy, “how can blood save your life?” (“pamphlet”), teaches both witnesses and interested persons about the religion’s blood prohibition.

OrphanCrow

smiddy: Barbara Anderson wrote about this a few years ago However it`s good to re-post info like this from time to time for all the newbies and to refresh our own memories.
Thanks to you both.

I agree. Even though the article was written 10 years ago+, it is good to keep it visible

The following article concerning Louder-back's article is a good one too. It was written in 2006:

http://www.equip.org/article/jehovahs-witnesses-embrace-new-bloodless-medicine/

This article first appeared in the News Watch column of the Christian Research Journal, volume29, number3 (2006). For further information or to subscribe to the Christian Research Journal go to: http://www.equip.org
The Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania, which governs more than 98,000 congregations of Jehovah’s Witnesses worldwide, recently reaffirmed its ban on blood transfusions, despite growing pressure from Witnesses, former Witnesses, and lawyers to allow the procedure. A Watch Tower letter, dated January 3, 2006, urged its 6.6 million members to seek alternatives to transfusions from the emerging field of “bloodless medicine.” The five-page letter was sent to congregations less than a month after Florida attorney Kerry Louderback-Wood opened up a new avenue of suing the Watch Tower in an article she wrote for Baylor University’sJournal of Church and State.
Blood Money. Louderback-Wood’s article, “Jehovah’s Witnesses, Blood Transfusions, and the Tort of Misrepresentation,” argues that the Watch Tower can be held financially liable for the deaths of Witnesses who refused transfusions. The basis for the lawsuits is that the Watch Tower has bolstered its no-blood stance by misrepresenting historical, scientific, and medical facts in its main resource on its blood policies, a pamphlet titled How Can Blood Save Your Life? (available online at www.watchtower.org).
Past lawsuits failed because the Watch Tower’s ban is based on a religious belief—that the Bible prohibits eating blood. (The Watch Tower teaches that receiving a transfusion is the same as eating blood.) Louderback-Wood, a former Witness, argues that the appeal to religious freedom can be sidestepped if the organization is sued for twisting facts, including exaggerating the risks of transfusions while downplaying the risks of bloodless medicine.

full article at link...

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JW Stand On Concealed Carry

by Cold Steel in

if a jw wanted to get a concealed carry permit, would the society have any moral or ethical problems with it?

in other words, if one of your elders noticed you were carrying concealed, would they be apt to just ignore it or would they counsel you on it?

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OrphanCrow

There was an incident with JW prison guard in Argentina a few months ago:

https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5196463256633344/three-very-dangerous-men-escaped-from-high-security-prison-argentina-because-guard-jw-had-no-guns