Posts by OrphanCrow

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Is it morally wrong to put Watchtower behind?

by Darkknight757 in

with our latest and final run in with the elders, the wife and i had a very long talk about what's next in our life.

do we try to help others see the light as it were concerning watchtower or do we just let it go and move on with our life?

we have made it perfectly clear that we will never go back to watchtower and we are finally happy.

OrphanCrow

DK: We just want to move on. Is that wrong?

Absolutely not

Just do it. You owe it to yourself. The org is just a bad debt - write it off and look to greener pastures

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Draining your smartphone - JW app hits top 10

by OrphanCrow in

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avast unveils top ten apps draining your android phone.

jehovah’s witness: this official app produced by jehovah’s witnesses was the heaviest user of smartphone storage.

it allows users to download their bible (in all languages) and browse a library of video tutorials and introductions in high-resolution.

OrphanCrow

Avast Unveils Top Ten Apps Draining Your Android Phone

Jehovah’s Witness: this official app produced by Jehovah’s Witnesses was the heaviest user of smartphone storage. It allows users to download their Bible (in all languages) and browse a library of video tutorials and introductions in high-resolution. All this rich, multimedia content comes at a cost – our tests indicated around 2GB for downloading the scripture and 3GB for watching the introduction videos.

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FYI- Washington Post article for XJW legal nerds: Excommunication, Buddhists, temple control: An interesting new Supreme Court petition

by AndersonsInfo in

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2016/12/15/excommunication-buddhists-and-temple-control-an-interesting-new-supreme-court-petition/?utm_term=.6f371ba712ef.

excommunication, buddhists, and temple control: an interesting new supreme court petition.

by eugene volokh the volokh conspiracyopinion.

OrphanCrow

RO:
Second, most congregations new bylaws or articles of incorporation gives the authority to vote on matters of property to either the BOE or to active members of a congregation, so if someone is no longer an active member of the congregation then they don't have a vote in the matter.

And that is exactly why this case is relevant to the JWs.

This is one of the purposes of strict disfellowshipping practices. If the congregations weren't "kept clean", it would be legally possible for a majority of members to block the sale of property.

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$345 million - Kushner purchases 85 Jay St

by OrphanCrow in

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jared kushner closes on another dumbo heights property.

jared kushner has another jehovah’s witnesses site in his company’s development pocket.on tuesday, the former kushner companies (now called simply “kushner”), along with asher abehsera’s livwrk and the cim group, closed on a $345 million purchase of 85 jay st. in the same dumbo neighborhood as the jehovah’s witnesses’ watchtower real estate.bob knakal acted as a consultant to watchtower’s in-house group.now a parking lot, the full block can host an as-of-right 1.1-million- square-foot mixed-use development.“this site has tremendous upside, and we’re looking forward to developing a project that will further enhance the area and help strengthen connections between the dumbo heights campus and the waterfront,” said laurent morali, president of kushner..

OrphanCrow

Jared Kushner closes on another Dumbo Heights property

Jared Kushner has another Jehovah’s Witnesses site in his company’s development pocket.
On Tuesday, the former Kushner Companies (now called simply “Kushner”), along with Asher Abehsera’s LIVWRK and the CIM Group, closed on a $345 million purchase of 85 Jay St. in the same Dumbo neighborhood as the Jehovah’s Witnesses’ Watchtower Real Estate.
Bob Knakal acted as a consultant to Watchtower’s in-house group.
Now a parking lot, the full block can host an as-of-right 1.1-million- square-foot mixed-use development.
“This site has tremendous upside, and we’re looking forward to developing a project that will further enhance the area and help strengthen connections between the Dumbo Heights campus and the waterfront,” said Laurent Morali, president of Kushner.

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Beth Shan - Rutherford's House of Security - IMAGES

by Bloody Hotdogs! in

i thought i would supplement this thread with some new images of beth shan.. location:.

[url=http://s1132.photobucket.com/user/midcentmod/media/site%20plan%20beth%20shan.jpg.html][img]http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m562/midcentmod/site%20plan%20beth%20shan.jpg[/img][/url].

1939, during construction:.

OrphanCrow

Some background and more images of Beth Shan:

http://corior.blogspot.com/2006/02/beth-shan-bunker-das-testemunhas-de.html

(will require translation)

*edited to add:

http://www.equip.org/article/beth-shan-and-the-return-of-the-princes/

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Beth Shan - Rutherford's House of Security - IMAGES

by Bloody Hotdogs! in

i thought i would supplement this thread with some new images of beth shan.. location:.

[url=http://s1132.photobucket.com/user/midcentmod/media/site%20plan%20beth%20shan.jpg.html][img]http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m562/midcentmod/site%20plan%20beth%20shan.jpg[/img][/url].

1939, during construction:.

OrphanCrow

Thanks for posting these images. I find Beth Shan to be fascinating.

The history of this place is really odd - it was at the Children of the King assemblies in 1941 that Rutherford talked to the children about a "Real live Prince and Real live Princess" that would rule in the new world. That would have been when this highly secure location was built for the family of Wm Heath to live in. His children were Deborah and Barack - the prince and princess.

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FYI- Washington Post article for XJW legal nerds: Excommunication, Buddhists, temple control: An interesting new Supreme Court petition

by AndersonsInfo in

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2016/12/15/excommunication-buddhists-and-temple-control-an-interesting-new-supreme-court-petition/?utm_term=.6f371ba712ef.

excommunication, buddhists, and temple control: an interesting new supreme court petition.

by eugene volokh the volokh conspiracyopinion.

OrphanCrow

Great thread title, Barbara

This will be interesting to follow. Very relevant to the JWs

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Brooklyn Brothers Signworks... WUT?

by schnell in

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the ad for this site came up here on jwn.

http://www.brooklynsignworks.com/jw/?gclid=cp7ppbzr_tacfy-baqodwocm1a.

i was not aware that these cart signs were being made and sold by essentially a private company or proprietorship.

OrphanCrow

tepidpoultry: Does anybody have an idea who pays for these carts?
Is it the congregations and are they invoiced?

From a reddit post:

May 1 2014 letter to BOE:
Requesting public witnessing equipment: The Congregation Service Committee will determine the equipment to be requested and where it will be stored. Public witnessing equipment can be requested in the same way publications are requested. We are pleased to pro- vide a document entitled Public Witnessing Supplies (S-80) that contains sample pictures and descriptions of standard carts, stands, tables, and kiosks. The equipment will remain the property of the congregation. Care should be taken to request only equipment that will be put to good use by publishers who have been trained in its use. The congregation may be informed that the cost of these carts will be covered by their contributions to the worldwide work.

More about carts here:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ifm3qh6hxlbyy6r/S-80-E%2005-15%20PUBLIC%20WITNESSING%20SUPPLIES.pdf?dl=0

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Have you ever known a holocaust denier? How did you feel about them?

by Esse quam videri in

i sometimes did work for a lovely old couple who at times needed repairs done around their home.

my wife and myself spent time with them, having tea and crackers from time to time.

one day the husband and myself got into a conversation and he clearly showed himself to be a holocaust denier.

OrphanCrow

Thanks jwleaks - very interesting. Especially the bit about The Finished Mystery. I hadn't considered that the WT literature may have had an influence on Hitler's writings. After I read Mein Kampf, I had the thought that Rutherford had read Hitler's book and used Hitler's template of structural power to model the WTS organizational changes that were implemented in the late 20s and early 30s.

...the jehovah's witnesses, or bible students as they were then known, went greatly ignored by the Nazi party during the lead up to and commencement of WW2. They were not singled out for persecution or attack. They were tolerated if not ignored.

That could have something to do with the lawyers that the German WTS employed - two(?) of their lawyers were Nazi party members

Ilsa told me that both Rudolph Hess and Adolph Hitler eventually decided that the Watchtower, aka bible students, and Rutherford were trying to cause divisions on behalf of the US government.

That is understandable, considering that Rutherford employed the help of the US government to get his precious printing presses released under the terms of the Versailles Treaty after the first time the presses were seized