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  2017 Yearbook - Still Waiting

  by berrygerry in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  https://www.dropbox.com/s/t06777k65p11e53/20160521e.pdf?dl=0.

  may 21, 2016. we are pleased to inform you that electronic versions of the annual items for 2017 will be made available for download on jw.org beginning in october of this year.

  this includes examining the scriptures daily—2017 and the 2017 yearbook of jehovah’s witnesses.

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  bohm: when does the YB normally come out?

  The 2015 YB was available for download January 5, 2015

  The 2016 YB was available for download December 25, 2015
  
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  2017 Yearbook - Still Waiting

  by berrygerry in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  https://www.dropbox.com/s/t06777k65p11e53/20160521e.pdf?dl=0.

  may 21, 2016. we are pleased to inform you that electronic versions of the annual items for 2017 will be made available for download on jw.org beginning in october of this year.

  this includes examining the scriptures daily—2017 and the 2017 yearbook of jehovah’s witnesses.

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  darkspliver: Thought you might be interested?.....

  What would be interesting rather than just an image that shows up as "google's best guess" = travel poster...would be a link to the actual alleged yearbook
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  Honest Questions About Child Abuse

  by Richard Oliver in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  i have two honest questions for everyone here.

  i understand that most here want retribution from the courts against watchtower for child abuse allegations.

  but let us take away the instances where someone was accused of child abuse and then later put back into a position of authority, such as an elder or an ms. let us just take the cases where a regular publisher or even an appointed person, with no previous accusation of child abuse has come up against that person.

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  richard: I know that I can't be apart of these X-JW communities because it doesn't seem like anyone apart of these communities can move on.

  Lol!!!!

  And this is why I keep coming back. For my daily laugh.

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  Honest Questions About Child Abuse

  by Richard Oliver in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  i have two honest questions for everyone here.

  i understand that most here want retribution from the courts against watchtower for child abuse allegations.

  but let us take away the instances where someone was accused of child abuse and then later put back into a position of authority, such as an elder or an ms. let us just take the cases where a regular publisher or even an appointed person, with no previous accusation of child abuse has come up against that person.

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  Richard: My point is that it is a complete issue that requires actual steps and not just expecting lawsuits to solve the problem.

  Go to page 61 of this document and read it.

  http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/getattachment/c2d1f1f5-a1f2-4241-82fb-978d072734bd/Report-of-Case-Study-No-29
  

  It isn't just your point, it is the point of the Royal Commission that the problems with the Watchtower Society's religion (the JWs) are larger and more far reaching than just the lack of reporting to authorities.

  The areas within the organization that need to be addressed are numerous.

  When it comes to addressing the child abuse within the JWs, the problem requires an internal change - the policies and doctrines within the organization are what fosters an environment for child abuse.

  I know you would like us to keep looking outside of the organization that you are defending, Richard...but...that isn't going to work. That is a Watchtower tactic and we, along with people like those who are involved with the ARC, aren't buying it. We know that the problems are internal. And so does the Royal Commission.

  Of course lawsuits aren't going to solve the problem. The lawsuits are meant as redemption for the victims. The lawsuits are meant to solve their problems - the victims' problems. The lawsuits' purpose is not to make the Watchtower change. The purpose is to make the WT accountable and to make them pay. They OWE the victims. The lawsuits are to ensure that that debt is paid.

  
  
  
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  TV - Revealed: JWs in the Philippines - Investigative Documentaries

  by darkspilver in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  note: although some of the interviews in the following video are in english, the majority is in tagalog/filipino, if that's a problem please don't watch it.. investigative documentaries: jws in the philippines.

  broadcast on thursday 22 december 2016 on the gma news tv in the philippines.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mydu2bq-lwm.

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  OrphanCrow

  Not available in Canada.
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  Honest Questions About Child Abuse

  by Richard Oliver in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  i have two honest questions for everyone here.

  i understand that most here want retribution from the courts against watchtower for child abuse allegations.

  but let us take away the instances where someone was accused of child abuse and then later put back into a position of authority, such as an elder or an ms. let us just take the cases where a regular publisher or even an appointed person, with no previous accusation of child abuse has come up against that person.

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  Yes, it is gross, Bud.

  I cannot imagine being married to someone who gets all dressed up in a suit and tie and goes down to the KH to question a child about sex. I cannot imagine being the wife of one of those elders.

  I cannot imagine being a child who has had to talk about sex with a bunch of men - men who smile and pat the child on the head when they see them at the KH afterwards - all along while they know that some guy had stuck his penis in the child's mouth. And that the child had to describe that to them.
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  Honest Questions About Child Abuse

  by Richard Oliver in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  i have two honest questions for everyone here.

  i understand that most here want retribution from the courts against watchtower for child abuse allegations.

  but let us take away the instances where someone was accused of child abuse and then later put back into a position of authority, such as an elder or an ms. let us just take the cases where a regular publisher or even an appointed person, with no previous accusation of child abuse has come up against that person.

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  Richard: Why is it that more and more people here aren't encouraging each other to try and work with your state or national legislatures to get laws changed for everyone to to be mandatory reports of child abuse?

  Because mandatory reporting is already in place in all of Canada. It has been for years. The law is not the problem here...the problem is the WTS that tells their members to not drag Jehovah's name through the mud. The problem is the way the WTS treats the victims and tells the elders not to report.

  For every single suspected case of child abuse, the elders are told to phone headquarters for legal advice. In Canada, that advice has been wrong.

  The problem is the WTS, because their lawyers do not follow the law even when mandatory reporting is in place. Even in Australia, where not one case was reported, some of those cases occurred in mandatory reporting areas.

  Yes, mandatory reporting would be great - what would be even greater is if the Watchtower Society lawyers followed the laws already in place and told the elders to report all suspected cases of child abuse to the proper authorities (ie...people with the professional training on how to question a victim and how not to lead a victim in questioning - which the elders do all the time- and how not to harm the victim further with those questions). The elders follow the advice of the WT lawyers. The elders don't follow the law and they don't follow correct handling of questioning - the elders are NOT trained properly and they are NOT professionals. And the WT lawyers do NOT give correct advice.

  Instead, the elders are told to take on the responsibility of determining if a criminal act of a sexual nature occurred by questioning a minor child in front of the person accused of inappropriate sexual action - the elders get to question all involved and discuss the nature of the actions that occurred to determine if a sexual sin happened and was acted out on a minor child.

  I am disgusted by the way that accusations of a sexual nature are handled by JW non-professional men only behind closed doors - men who have no clue about how to engage with a victim or about what a crime really is. My stomach heaves to think of all the victims of child abuse being subjected to questioning by a panel of men...men only...questioning a child about sex...another man. And what that man did to their bodies sexually. The elders dig and dig for every single little detail that they can. On the guise of saying it is to determine guilt - as in...how many fingers did he use? Did he make you touch his penis? etc, etc....

  What I don't understand is why JW elders go along with this perverse activity. Why? Why would a man agree to question children about sex abuse? Why? Why has there not been an internal revolution by men who know that this is wrong, wrong, wrong???

  Where are those men who care? Have they just left?

  Or is it just men left in the JW org who get off on the secretive nature of those JCs (combined with the secretive nature of the sex with children)?

  Which is it? Do the JW elders like dealing with child sex abuse or do they think it should be handled by professionals?

  
  
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  107 years of “Advertising the Kingdom” from Brooklyn, NY, what is it New Yorkers will remember about JWs after their move in 2016?

  by AndersonsInfo in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  https://www.bisnow.com/new-york/news/commercial-real-estate/10-biggest-nyc-real-estate-stories-2016-69239.

  december 23, 2016. the 10 biggest nyc real estate stories of 2016.

  wikimedia: jud mccranie .

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  nopassword: Seeking copy of letter read to all Congregations in USA wanting $ so Watchtower could buy Squibb Bldgs. back in 60's.

  Here is the letter thanking JWs for sending in funds for the purchase:
  

  http://www.brownstoner.com/history/jehovah-witness-history-brooklyn-squibb-1969-donations/

  
  
  
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  Watchtower April, 2017 Overview

  by Listener in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i'll start with the first study article.. this study article deals with vows made to jehovah.

  three main vows are discussed.. 1) your dedication to jehovah.

  we are told that it is not possible to claim that our baptism was not valid .

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  OrphanCrow

  "...acknowledge that we do not have all the facts"

  no truer words than that

  The JWs never have all the facts. And neither does anyone else, including courts, police, the public....nobody has all "the facts"

  
  
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  Link to the English version of the Quebec (French) documentary, "The Kingdom's Dirty Secrets" (About JW's hiding child abuse)

  by AndersonsInfo in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  here's a link to the english version of the quebec documentary, the kingdom's dirty secrets that aired in canada at the beginning of december.

  i was told that it's okay to share the documentary and post on social media.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ajphgmt9jibarbara

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  IownMylife: I think this film touches on almost all the info we know about the subject. The personal experiences are told very well and effectively.

  And I would like to add...in this film, Barbara's poise and intelligence shines brightly as always. The producer did a fine job of showing the viewers the history of how all this has come about and Barbara's vital contribution. The early photos of Barbara and Joe were great