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"Partial Knowledge"--Have We Progress...

by MDS in

"partial knowledge" -- have we progressed beyond it?

the bible reveals that first century christians possessed a "partial knowledge" of scripture and prophecy.

this being the case, we may then properly ask, have we today, as modern-day christians, progressed beyond this "partial knowledge" thus far?.

AGuest

Dearest MDS... may you have peace!

Your 'observations' are excellent and correct, with one exception:

ALL of my Father's and Lord's prophets prophesy 'partially'... and will ALWAYS do so. For... 'that which is complete'... IS my Lord... and it is not until he 'arrives'... that we will 'see'... clearly.

Until he is MANIFESTED among us once again, we will see with 'hazy outline'. We will NOT see more than our brothers of the 1st century before us, anymore than they saw of the prophets before them. None of us can 'see'... anything more than what my Lord permits. And since HE is the 'thing' prophesied ABOUT... he is the 'complete' thing.

Thus, it is when we see HIM... that we will see the 'end'... the 'completion'... of 'the prophetic Word'.

I bid you peace.

A slave of Christ,

SJ

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Dearest Pomegranate... may I ask you...

by AGuest in

and you answer me, please, at what point did my lord ever 'sin'?

sin, dear one, is disobedience... to the commands of my father... whether given through the law covenant... or through holy spirit... yes?.

if then, the bible says of my lord that he was 'without sin' and 'learned obedience from the things he suffered', for which he was made 'perfect'... tell me, please... if you know... when did he sin?.

AGuest

My dear brother Aaron has traveled to share the
'good news'... about my Lord... with others, O insolent... and ignorant... man.

As for the TRUTH, which I TRIED to 'share' with you:

John 18:3-9
Matthew 26:48
Mark 14:43, 44
Isaiah 53:2, 3

But you didn't 'want' it. Now, be gone from before my face, for I will not speak with you again.

A slave of the Son of God, JAHESHUA MISHAJAH, and a servant to the 'house' of that One, Israel, of which you have proved... by your 'fruits'... to be 'no part of'...

SJ

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Dearest Pomegranate... may I ask you...

by AGuest in

and you answer me, please, at what point did my lord ever 'sin'?

sin, dear one, is disobedience... to the commands of my father... whether given through the law covenant... or through holy spirit... yes?.

if then, the bible says of my lord that he was 'without sin' and 'learned obedience from the things he suffered', for which he was made 'perfect'... tell me, please... if you know... when did he sin?.

AGuest

John 18:3 - 3 So Judas came to the grove, guiding a detachment of soldiers and some officials from the chief priests and Pharisees. They were carrying torches, lanterns and weapons.

Uh, yeah.

DUH! NOT the Jewish leaders.

Er?! Can we look at that again, please?

and some officials from the chief priests and Pharisees

These weren't the Jewish ‘leaders’? These ‘officials’? From the ‘chief’ priests? Praise JAH, that callin’ folks ‘fools’ ain’t in MY vocabularly… 'cause in all honesty...

The Jewish leaders spurned the mob on while they stayed behind like cowards.

Nahhhh, I won’t even ask… yes, I will: these ones that ‘stayed behind’… what made them ‘leaders’?

Soooo...Wrong Again! You are way off lady on everything you speak about. Nothing is correct.

Surely… you jest. (And I'm not a lady... well, I AM, but... right now, I'm just a servant... so...)

Rather than condemning a 'fool', he condemned the one CALLING someone a 'fool'... yes?

Uh-huh, I said that.

Matt 5:22 - 22 But I tell you that anyone who is angry with his brother will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to his brother, 'Raca,' is answerable to the Sanhedrin. But anyone who says, 'You fool!' will be in danger of the fire of hell.

Hmmmm… sounds pretty ‘cut and dried’ to me, but let’s see just what you said:

You are a False Teacher and a fool

as prophesied by our Lord.

Hmmmm… don’t see where the ‘as prophesied by our Lord’ is substantiated, but… well, yep, you said I wuz a fool…

First, you are definitely NOT my brother, not even remotely

I think that in this, you err, dear 'Pommie. How so? Even the wicked are the ‘brothers’ of the good, are they not? For were not Cain and Abel... BROTHERS? And is not the wicked determined by HOW THEY TREAT THEIR BROTHERS, the 'righteous', as Cain treated Abel? So, even if you consider me wicked… and your enemy… I would STILL be… your ‘brother’. Yes? Not that I am wicked… OR your enemy. But I think the point’s proven. Can YOU ‘see’ it yet? Nahhhh… not just yet. Gotta get yourself some 'o that 'eyesalve', 'Pom. As my dear sister in Christ JUSTAMOM would say... 'quick like'!

Second, you are a false teacher that should be EXPOSED, just like the lying Pharisees. False teachers ARE fools. Calling it like I see it by your silly concocted fabrications.

You’re entitled to your opinion, ‘Pom. But it doesn’t change what my Lord SAID about those who call others fools… in the context that you did… and are doing still. See, just as my Lord said: by your OWN mouth, you will be judged. Neither he nor I… nor any of my brothers… have to do a THING. You people condemn yourselves. All we need do is wait patiently, just as my Lord waited patiently.

Can't wait to see the next fabrication. (oh joy)

Don’t know from ‘fabrication’, and can 'see' why in YOUR ‘blindness’ you can’t... ‘see’... but, well… VOILA! Tell you what: why not ‘LISTEN’… and learn? Matthew 17:3

Oh and PS... Matt 5:21-22 - 21 "You have heard that it was said to the people long ago, 'Do not murder, and anyone who murders will be subject to judgment.'

And yet, both Moses and David were murderers… and Paul consented to the murder of the holy ones… yes? Yes. Lordy, ‘Pom… my Father shows mercy to whomever HE wishes to SHOW it… Again, I say to you... ‘Listen’… HEAR... and learn.

22 But I tell you that anyone who is angry with his brother will be subject to judgment.

Well, dear one, I TRIED to warn you about your ‘fruits’, but you just kept on a-goin'… Do you 'see' it yet? Nope, for my Lord says 'not yet, child'. And I believe him.

Again, anyone who says to his brother, 'Raca,' is answerable to the Sanhedrin.

That was then…

But anyone who says, 'You fool!' will be in danger of the fire of hell.

And THAT… is yet to come.

The context is all about MURDER, not calling someone a fool.

Uh-ohhhhhh…. Whose changin’ and ‘fabricatin’ now?

Christ wants followers to even stifle ANGER, because anger is the root of murder.

Well, dear one, I TOLD you to calm down, didn’t I? Well, I mean, I still wished you peace and bid you no ill-will… even while you were calling me evil, wicked names and slanderin’ me… and…and… hatin’ me… would KILL me if you get your little hands on me, right, Paul…. uh… I mean ‘Pom? And you just kept on a-goin'... until you did it... 'sinned with your mouth'. YOU... called down evil... on me. Yes? Yes, you did.

Avoid the root, then no murder. (See Cain and Abel.)

Walk by spirit and not by sight. See ‘Pom and Shelby…

I am not calling you a fool in light of the context above (murder and anger)

Wait, wait! You called me a ‘goat’, one slated for everlasting cutting off and destruction, so you in essence ‘judged’ me. And you did so out of the hatred in YOUR tiny little heart. You then called me a ‘fool’ and an number of other unsavory and surly titles… but now you want me and others here to believe that you did so "not out of ‘the context above’". Hmmm... I smell a... yeah, okay, ‘Pom… sure… right.

I am calling you a fool in the light that it is exactly what you prove yourself to be.

"But I don't change things..." As if all things have been decided… by you. Indeed, my Father has not even finished ‘proving’ what He Himself is… but you've got me roped, tied... and branded, dear one... by YOUR mouth. Unfortunately, pitchforks, no matter HOW long in the fire, don’t scare me, ‘Pom.

And my peace YET remains… as I am…

YOUR servant… still… and a slave of Christ… to time indefinite…

SJ

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Ahimelech, Jesus and Inerrancy

by Simon in

apologies for plagurism.

i don't know where i originally got this from so can't give due credit.... how much did jesus know about the bible?

not having a handy edition around, he had to rely on his memory.

AGuest

(Snickering behind fingers)... now, Aaron...

Peace, lil bro.

Your servant, sis and fellow slave of the one called Lord of lords... the Son of the Most Holy One of Israel, JAHESHUA MISCHAJAH...

SJ

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Dearest Pomegranate... may I ask you...

by AGuest in

and you answer me, please, at what point did my lord ever 'sin'?

sin, dear one, is disobedience... to the commands of my father... whether given through the law covenant... or through holy spirit... yes?.

if then, the bible says of my lord that he was 'without sin' and 'learned obedience from the things he suffered', for which he was made 'perfect'... tell me, please... if you know... when did he sin?.

AGuest

YOU SAID Christ lied.

What I tried to help you to SEE, O hard of hearing man, is that OUR dogmatic perception of the word 'lie' is NOT the same as the Hebrew word that indicates DECEIT. You missed it. BIG surprise...

Now you change the whole topic of discussion to hide your foolishness.

Changed the 'topic'? I absolutely did not change the topic, but merely expounded on it and REASONED on it... which again... you missed. BIG surprise.

Convoluted utter ridiculousness. Pure Smoke and Mirrors and jibberish non sense.

To the dogmatic and 'physical' man... indeed. BIG surprise.

1 Peter 2:22 - 22 "He committed no sin, and no deceit was found in his mouth."

I absolutely agree. That, in fact, was my POINT: no... DECEIT... which word has as its PURPOSE... and intent to cause HARM. But, you fail to get the 'sense' of it. BIG surprise.

John 7:8 - 8 "You go on, and I'll come later when it is the right time."

Oh, now wait! WHO's 'changin' stuff now? You found a TRANSLATION that fits your misunderstanding and all of a sudden he said something different. What is SAID to them was "I'm not going up NOW...", but in fact DID go up... and did so secretly. Funny, you did add that verse. BIG surprise.

The right time is when God says it is. Not when you or anyone else says it is. This is simple reading. Nothing hidden.

O man whose 'ears' are yet to be excavated... when my Lord said, "My time has not come," he WASN'T TALKING ABOUT THE TIME TO GO TO FESTIVAL. He was talking about his 'time'... to be the LAMB... SLAUGHTERED... on behalf of the world. Tell me, when Mary informed my Lord of the lack of wine at the wedding in Cana, you didn't think my Lord was saying, "Look, Mom, it's not my TIME to make wine?" Did you really think that? BIG surprise.

They most certainly knew EXACTLY who HE was

Funny... why did Judas have to identify him then? Why did they 'fall away' when they finally saw him? Indeed, many of the Pharisees had laid eyes on him, but those seeking to KILL him... had not. It was PROPHESIED that they would not. Funny, you don't know this. BIG surprise.

John 7:11 - 11 Now at the Feast the Jews were watching for him (not his disciples) and asking, "Where is that man?" (NOT where are those men he was with.)

Okay, somebody stop me from ROFL... 'Pom, dear one, IF they knew what he LOOKED like... WHY DIDN'T THEY SEE HIM WHEN HE GOT THERE? Oh, right! You're one of those people who believe that he, like, wore some different clothing or something. BIG surprise. 'Pom, he was IN THEIR FACES... but they didn't know it... because they didn't know what he LOOKED like.

John 5:16-18
16 So, because Jesus was doing these things on the Sabbath, the Jews persecuted him. 17 Jesus said to them, "My Father is always at his work to this very day, and I, too, am working." 18 For this reason the Jews tried all the harder to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.

And your point? 'Pom, they didn't kill him before his 'time'... because... the ones whose JOB it was was to kill him... didn't know what he looked like. That is why he ALWAYS managed to elude them. It is why Judas had to identify him. They were LOOKING for someone who LOOKED like a king. My Lord did not; QUITE the opposite, he appeared as a leper, 'unclean'.

His WHOLE purpose in going to that feast was to TAUNT the Jewish leaders. Harden their hearts. Build up the hatred within them. So they would WANT TO KILL HIM.

Now, YOU'RE the liar. Did you not hear and have you not read that my Father "does not WANT ANY TO DIE... but wants ALL to attain to repentance?" If what YOU say is true, why then would my Lord stand above Jerusalem and cry over her, saying, "How MUCH I wanted to gather you like a hen gathers her chicks... but YOU didn't want it?"

My Lord went up to the festival, because THE LAW COVENANT required him to attend the festival. He HAD to go, so that it could be fulfilled that he FULFILLED THE LAW... in every way.

Funny you don't know this. BIG surprise.

Christ was pulling their pants down and exposing them for what they truly were, sons of snakes and offspring of vipers...timing WAS everything.

(Sadly shaking head)... you are in serious error, 'Pom. My Lord is the 'image' of my Father. And my Father is love. And love... does NOT 'rejoice over unrighteousness', but instead believes all things, HOPES all things... and never fails. These ones, 'Pom... exposed... themselves. It is SATAN who taunts... and NEVER my Lord. This was a grave and serious error on your part. Big surprise.

Timing IS everything. Timing WILL BE everything.

Well, it's not 'everything'... for my Father will show mercy to whomever HE wishes to show it, no matter where 'time' stands for such one. But it is important. So much so, that my Lord lovingly TOOK a 'righteous' transgression, which made it NOT a sin, so that MANY would gain life.

Rev 14:15 - "Take your sickle and reap, because the time to reap has come, for the harvest of the earth is ripe."
Rev 14:18 - "Take your sharp sickle and gather the clusters of grapes from the earth's vine, because its grapes are ripe."

Isn't it funny that John wrote this almost 60 years AFTER my Lord said, "Look! The fields are white for HARVESTING. Therefore, BEG the Master to send more workers out into the field?"

Can you tell to what either of these, John or my Lord, were referring, dear 'Pom? No? Big surprise.

You are a False Teacher and a fool as prophesied by our Lord.

Hmmmm... I actually recall my Lord 'prophesying' something a little different. Rather than condemning a 'fool', he condemned the one CALLING someone a 'fool'... yes? I wonder, then, who really IS the 'fool'? I guess 'time'... will tell.

I bear you no ill-will and my peace remains... even in the face of your animosity, hard-heartedness... hatred(?). I'd watch those 'fruits', though, if I were you.

A slave of Christ,

SJ

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Dearest Pomegranate... may I ask you...

by AGuest in

and you answer me, please, at what point did my lord ever 'sin'?

sin, dear one, is disobedience... to the commands of my father... whether given through the law covenant... or through holy spirit... yes?.

if then, the bible says of my lord that he was 'without sin' and 'learned obedience from the things he suffered', for which he was made 'perfect'... tell me, please... if you know... when did he sin?.

AGuest

This is GREAT! You're looking at WORDS. Cool!

In this instance, however, the operative word is not 'yet'... but... 'but'. Did you notice that he told them he wasn't going up 'yet'... BUT in fact DID go up... at the time he said he WASN'T... and did so in secret?

There's a point to be made, 'Pom, if only you 'wish' to see it. It is that my Lord said what he said... and did what he did... for a reason: LOVE.

Unfortunately, you are still so caught up in the 'right'... rather than the 'righteousness'... that you are missing that point which is actually a VERY important one, and your assertion that the time wasn't RIGHT is totally unfounded. Thus, when my Lord said, "My time hasn't come yet" he was in NO way talking about his 'time' to go up to the festival.

Aw, shucks... I'm tired of 'playing' with you:

The REASON that my Lord told the others to go without him, and the REASON that he told them that he wasn't going up... yet... but DID in fact go up... and in SECRECY... was:

1. The Jews were seeking to kill him;

2. They would identify him by the MEN he was with (remember? They didn't know who HE was?)

3. This put HIM at risk of being impaled BEFORE his 'time', to the detriment of MANY, for he had not yet concluded a COVENANT with his disciples... for life... and a kingdom;

4. It put those WITH him at risk of being beaten, scourged and imprisoned... and killed before THEIR time, too. If that happened, they COULDN'T then fulfill the words "You will be WITNESSES OF ME... in all Judea and Samaria."

So, because he KNEW that his disciples would NOT go unless he was going and would NOT go without him UNLESS he sent them on, and would LOOK for him to HANG OUT with him when he got there... HE... in KEEPING the COMMAND to CELEBRATE such festival... UNDER THE LAW CODE... REMOVED THE RISK... to himself, to his disciples... and to all those who later came to call on him for salvation... of changing ANY of the 'order' of what was to take place as stated by the prophets!

He did what he did, 'Pom... out of love. FOR his disciples... and for ALL of mankind that eventually come to BE saved by means of him.

Where there is LOVE, 'Pom... there IS no 'law'. Thus, he DECEIVED no one, for deception purposes to cause injury. Rather, he caused to show LOVE... and give LIFE... and thus COULD NOT let the 'order' of things change just so he could be 'RIGHT'. Rather than being 'right' then, he chose, INSTEAD, to be 'RIGHTEOUS'. There is a difference.

May you HEAR... and get the SENSE of it.

A slave of Christ,

SJ

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Any clue what this means

by sennabrasil94 in

jw
friends

i was wondering if any one had any thoughts about thease scriptures/.

john 18:36....... the kingdom of the illuminated in another dimention?.

thats what i see.. 2 corinthians 12:2,3,4........is this referance to other dimentions?.

AGuest

Hello, dearest 'Senna... and may you have peace!

You are correct in presuming my Lord's kingdom to be from another 'source'. It is not 'of this world', in that it does not have its origins in the physical realm, as the kingdom of David, with its capital city of Jerusalem did.

My Lord's kingdom has its origin in the SPIRIT realm, thus it is located in the 'city having REAL foundations'... New Jerusalem... the city that 'comes down OUT of heaven... to the earth.'

Thus, because it is not a PHYSICAL city, that which is physical... earthly or 'terrestrial' flesh with its blood... red hemoglobin... cannot enter into it. It is only the SPIRITUAL flesh, that which is 'celestial' and has as its blood.. 'holy spirit'... that can enter.

I hope this helps.

A slave of Christ,

SJ

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Dearest Pomegranate... may I ask you...

by AGuest in

and you answer me, please, at what point did my lord ever 'sin'?

sin, dear one, is disobedience... to the commands of my father... whether given through the law covenant... or through holy spirit... yes?.

if then, the bible says of my lord that he was 'without sin' and 'learned obedience from the things he suffered', for which he was made 'perfect'... tell me, please... if you know... when did he sin?.

AGuest

Dearest Zev... may you have peace... and please pardon this interchange; there is an important point to make.

Now, dear 'Pom... YOU said lying is a sin, and you quoted the following:

John 8:46-47 46 Can any of you prove me guilty of sin?

Now, I asked you did my Lord ever sin? My answer would be, of course, that no, he never did. However, my initial question to you was... did he lie... to ANYONE? You responded that "I never said our Lord sinned." Which is, of course, quite correct. But that does not answer the question, 'did he ever lie', does it?

Now, permit me, to share with YOU what has been shared with ME... by my Lord... and which, in face, prompted this inquiry by him, which he gave to ME... to give to you. Note:

"'The world has not reason to hate you, but it hates me,
because I bear witness concerning it that its works are
wicked. You go on up to the festival; am not yet going
up to the festival, because my due time has not yet fully
come.' So after he told them these things, he remained in
Galilee."

So far, so good... yes? Ah, but let's continue:

"But... when his brothers had gone up to the festival,
then he ALSO went up himself... NOT openly... but in
secret."

Uhhhhh-ohhhhhh. My Lord told his disciples that he was NOT going to do something that he then... IN SECRET... actually did. Hmmmmm...
And yet, he was 'without sin'.

You wanna 'touch' this one, 'Pom? Or will you do the typical dance of piety and fabricate some 'excuse', such as, "Well, he SAID that, but he later changed his mind." I don't think that will 'fly', though, dear one... for virtually all translations of the Bible (which YOU take so literally) say this exact same thing. And it is YOU that insist on taking things just as 'earthling' man has set them out... yes?

So, what's your answer, 'Pom? Did my Lord 'lie'... or didn't he? And thus, did he SIN... or no? I await your self-assured, 'non-goatlike' response. Oh, and you will find this passage at John 7:8-10.

With humbly 'bated' breath, I remain...

Your servant (for now), and a slave of Christ,

SJ

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Ahimelech, Jesus and Inerrancy

by Simon in

apologies for plagurism.

i don't know where i originally got this from so can't give due credit.... how much did jesus know about the bible?

not having a handy edition around, he had to rely on his memory.

AGuest

Have you now sat down in the seat of judgment, 'Pom, to determine who goes to your right as a sheep and who to your left as a goat? You have 'begun ruling without us'?

MY Lord says "STOP judging, for with the same judgment that you are judging, you will BE judged." MY Lord also says, "I say to you, LOVE your enemies... for you must be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect."

May I ask, what says your 'lord'?

Peace.

A slave of Christ,

SJ

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Dearest Pomegranate... may I ask you...

by AGuest in

and you answer me, please, at what point did my lord ever 'sin'?

sin, dear one, is disobedience... to the commands of my father... whether given through the law covenant... or through holy spirit... yes?.

if then, the bible says of my lord that he was 'without sin' and 'learned obedience from the things he suffered', for which he was made 'perfect'... tell me, please... if you know... when did he sin?.

AGuest

No, Francoise, actually I don't think 'Pom can resist... he will answer. Now whether his answer is 'right'... and/or 'righteous'... is another matter entirely. Let's wait and see. Give him a minute.

Peace to you.

A slave of Christ,

SJ