when you were in the field service, were there some doors that you did not want to knock on, by fear?
in my city there is a hells angels bunker and that group is called the "nomads".
a door i would not knock on in any circumstance.
When in service I always prayed not to get people from ortodox background - either greek or serbian. when they find out I am from those areas, they always start to yell and call me names.
very often sisters would tell me how they got such a nice serbian/yugoslavian call and then when I go with them I get an earful and yet they are all smiley and polite with witnesses who speak english?!
invictus
i have contributed a few posts over the last 24 hours, and keeping with the apparent tradition i guess i should introduce myself.
i am an ex-dubite, after twenty years slaving for the organization.
i decided to call it quits roughly only one year ago this month, after a spur of the moment decision never to go again.
Welcome to the board Makaveli,
It is hard in the beggining but I am sure you`ll be just fine. I wish you all the best.
invictus
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when they call their number is blocked out.this makes them unavailable when you want to call them.don't even try to call them after 9pm at bethel,no matter what the emergency!they only call you to get you to come to the meetings and go out into field service!.
so now we turned on ( acr ) anonymous call rejection,which allows us to reject calls from callers who have blocked the display of their telephone numbers.now my number will not ring and the caller will hear a message that instructs them to hang up and remove their blocking and call again.. since we did this,elders are not calling us anymore.as i said they want to know your number,so they can call you to come to meetings,otherwise they can't be bothered.they give their cell number to a select few only.the congregation as a whole don't have the elders cell phone numbers.don't try to get them at bethel either,once they know who is calling they hit the ignore button in their head.. really, i can't be bothered by the elders calling me about the same old same old line.but for those who really need some kind of help or information about whatever,this shows that they are not truly shepherds of sheep.. blueblades
In one of the congregations were we moved to, after the second meeting my husband and I approached elders to ask if we can have that phone list of other publishers in this new congregation.lists like that one were regularly given to us in previous congregations with no problems and that was also a quick way to remember other peoples names.
well, you should have seen a face of an elder - here we do not give lists, brothers do not want to be harrased?! ( what am I going to do? call them at 3 in the morning and breathe heavily on the phone?)
then he said if somebody wants to give you a number it`s up to them. well we got couple of numbers,but none was from the elders- they just didn`t want to be bothered.
invictus
for those who have not met me my name is michelle.
(aka.mortons68)thank-you walter for the post earlyer last week for welcoming me.i have been wanting to do a post to introduce myself,but have not had the guts to tell my story.for one,i am very new to the computer , two, i was not sure about opening my life to complete strangers,and three ,my spelling and grammer is not that great at all.
vicki,thanks for leading me to this site.
Michelle,
thank you very much for telling your story.
It is a disgrace for wt and cowardly elders to hurt so many innocent children and families.shame on them. I hope one day they will pay BIG!
I am glad you have your family with you out of wt cult.
take care.
invictus
have you heard of chuck missler?
i just got his booklet " hidden treasures in the bible", and this is an interesting statement:.
( comparing names in hebrew and their english meaning).
RubaDub,
stressed spelled backwards reads desserts - hey, there it is - hidden message- I`m gonna get mine right away - slice of pumpkin pie with wipped cream - yammm
happy thanksgiving Canada!
invictus
have you heard of chuck missler?
i just got his booklet " hidden treasures in the bible", and this is an interesting statement:.
( comparing names in hebrew and their english meaning).
rem,
what you are basically saying is: I and others like me did research, we found it foolish-how come you cannot see it? well let me do my own and allow me to come to my own conclussions no matter how different they are. I gave some information ,not my conclusions, just information from the book asking what do people think about it. If someone does not agree it is sufficient to say I do not agree and that is fine with me.
that reminds me of let say when people witness some incident- in essence same thing happened but everyone will see it from different angle.that is how it is with opinions - we may read the same things yet see it completely different. I do not shy from discusions but I can see that you have very strong opinion about it and I respect that . I do not have need to prove you wrong to prove myself right - sorry if that dissapoints you.
anyway, I am not upset with anyone- live and let live, think and let others think no matter how different as long as that does not hurt anybody.
take care
invictus
have you heard of chuck missler?
i just got his booklet " hidden treasures in the bible", and this is an interesting statement:.
( comparing names in hebrew and their english meaning).
elamona,
thank you for your reply.as I said this is the first little booklet I am reading and some of the stuff is really a very new approach to me- I did`nt read anything like that before.
him being an intellectual and science educated man put more weight on his presentation that is why I would like to read more from him. I found his website so I`ll be looking more. if you have any interesting information you can let me know.
right know in my own spiritual search this is how I feel-"You are responsible for finding your own salvation,however you define that term.You can benefit from the input of wise man and hopefully reject the blabering of fools.But ultimately,you are the one who chooses.It is up to you and only you to pick for yourself the wise course of action. True religion is not a single choice. It is never ending series of choices- sometimes because we`ve made mistakes and sometimes because we entered new teritory.Religion in general is about purpose, but true religion is about flexibility.To be part of true religion is to be teachable and that requires humility and honesty.True religion lurks everywhere,it`s around every corner-wherever there are people who are earnestly searching for answers , who are willing to give up cherished notions if necessary. True religion resides in all of us - the challenge is to set it free."
I am not that clever to write something like this - but that is how I see myself.
thank you
invictus
have you heard of chuck missler?
i just got his booklet " hidden treasures in the bible", and this is an interesting statement:.
( comparing names in hebrew and their english meaning).
Makaveli,
thank you for your kind words; i try to understand how people feel - they `ve been hurt and dissapointed and they have every right to be upset. if their very strong opinion is a result of their concern for new ones like me, then I am deeply grateful.
I can assure you that I have no intention of joining any religion ever again I am just reading and informing myself because I still have that, if I can define it as -spiritual thirst.
thank you again, it was very kind of you to reply in a manner you did.
Mouthy,
thank you my dear friend for your replay; I feel maybe it is better that this kind of information be discussed by E-mail with you and ones who feel the same. you are right,I don`t have any intention of following man made doctrines - hey ,that was the reason that I left jw cult in a first place.It was just that some material and information about Bible is really interesting and inviting to ponder about.
love you very much and have a safe trip. enjoy your convention and I am looking forward to seeing you when you come back.take care
invictus
have you heard of chuck missler?
i just got his booklet " hidden treasures in the bible", and this is an interesting statement:.
( comparing names in hebrew and their english meaning).
i do have right to be fascinated not neceserilly believe in it.I try to keep an open mind.just because I was burnt by the whole jw experience and their interpretation of the bible, does not mean I am going to destroy opinion of ones who do believe. attitude like that would put me, in my mind,on the same level as jw - judgemental fundamentalist - only their thinking is right.
anyway, still believe there is something more to it. as it was said before , truth has no owner. we can only search for it and just be careful that in the time it is given to us on this earth, we do not harm anybody else - and that is how I try to live.
take care.
invictus
i have written an article about the watchtower's teaching on death vs. what the bible says.
if you're interested in reading it, here's the link:.
http://www.towertotruth.net/condition_of_the_dead.htm.
thank you for interesting article. I always felt more inclined to believe that something of us survives death - to me that was the most comforting tought when someone dear to me would die, it was even more comforting than jw idea on resurrection
take care.
invictus
