Carmel,
No apology necessary! I really enjoy your posts! I don't always understand them ... but I always enjoy them!
Posts by AhHah
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58Why Does God Allow Evil?
by Frenchy inahhah .
i did not want to complicate paths thread.
although this is directed to you, ahhah, naturally i welcome comments by all who participate here.. in reference to a portion of what i posted to seven:.
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Do you believe ...
by AhHah insimply respond to each question with a yes or no answer (or '?
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before answering, please see my comments on general/main - "how about a survey?"..
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Theo,
I hope that I didn't offend you or discourage you from posting! Please don't let my disagreement with any of your premises discourage you.
My point earlier was that I would prefer to respond to your entire argument, as responding to preliminary questions designed to secure agreement can be somewhat tedious on this medium, unlike a face to face discussion.
Also, there will likely be a very wide range of agreement among all who read these posts, with any premises on which you predicate your thoughts. So it may be more valuable to most readers just to post your full arguments. Of course, this is just my opinion. Others may disagree.
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So, what did u like as a JW?
by Pathofthorns inwhen you wore the "rose-coloured" glasses, what did u like about it?
post anything that comes to mind.
i sort of miss giving talks.
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Path,
That is an excellent question/survey to post. There were many positive aspects of active JW membership.
I believe that a big part of the appeal when one is active is the sense of belonging to a peer group with an ostensibly noble purpose, and self-validation (and for some, self-righteousness).
I genuinely enjoyed the field ministry, giving talks (including public talks), conducting Bible studies (including cong book study), teaching public speaking as a Theocratic School conductor, and opportunities to provide moral support to those who faced various problems in their lives. Those represented opportunities to give to others what I viewed as valuable at the time (and much of it was), and hence the joy that comes from properly motivated and unselfish giving. Of course, because I did not view most of those activities as optional, and because they were often not balanced with other necessary aspects of my personal life, they extracted a price that, in retrospect, was not always commensurate.
For that reason, I really don't miss those activities that I enjoyed. I have begun to learn how to continue meaningful giving to others and to recognize those opportunities with all people I come into contact with, not just a select group. I am glad to say that I also now feel much better about making a priority of giving to and supporting family members, instead of feeling conflicted about having to "beg off" from some congregational activity to do so.
As Frenchy has so elegantly stated before, I believe that forums (especially this one) can provide an excellent way to continue to reach out with love and support to others. In my mind, our dear brothers and sisters who are dealing with the painful fallout of the negative aspects of JW membership certainly qualify as those especially worthy of our support, as we should also be more capable of empathy and understanding than most, in view of the common experience.
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Thank You Ray Franz.
by Martini inhello friends,.
in a thread over at witnesses.net entitled "society bracing for law suits" fellow jw's are taking swipes at ray franz.
not too long ago, while i was still under the wt spell i also would have similarily spoken abusively of ray.
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AhHah
Martini,
I would like to "second that emotion"!
After finishing "Crisis of Conscience" and "In Search of Christian Freedom", I felt a great debt of gratitude toward Ray Franz for what was a labor of love for all, especially Jehovah's Witnesses.
Such a thorough and painstaking documentation of the doctrines, decisions and practices of the Governing Body over the years! His books reflect a remarkable knowledge and understanding of the Bible, a humble recognition of parts that he does not understand, and above all, a genuine, Christlike love for his fellowman, including his former JW associates.
How can one not feel genuine love and affection for this dear brother after reading his books?
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The "truth"
by Pathofthorns incheck out this little clip from witnet.
[url] http://discussion.witnesses.net/forum67/html/000120-2.html[/url].
i guess the "truth" is true, even when its not true.
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AhHah
The denial/ignorance prevalent among loyal members almost defies belief. A strong testament to the very real danger of allowing oneself to blindly accept all one's knowledge and beliefs from just one source (cult).
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Why Does God Allow Evil?
by Frenchy inahhah .
i did not want to complicate paths thread.
although this is directed to you, ahhah, naturally i welcome comments by all who participate here.. in reference to a portion of what i posted to seven:.
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AhHah
Carmel,
I agree that the earthly resurrection scenario would present some real "challenges", to say the least.
Did I write something that gave you the impression that I believe in an earthly resurrection?
If you read my last post to Frenchy above, I make an argument that Christ never personally taught earthly destruction, and I would now add that he did not teach earthly resurrection/salvation either. I am more inclined now to believe that any judgment and salvation is not on earth.
What exactly were you challenging?(puzzled)
Edited by - AhHah on 17 October 2000 18:28:55
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John Lennon's piano is for sale!
by AhHah inlennon's piano on sale in new bout of beatlemania.
october 17, 2000 5:42 am est .
by lyndsay griffiths.
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Lennon's Piano on Sale in New Bout of Beatlemania
October 17, 2000 5:42 am ESTBy Lyndsay Griffiths
LONDON (Reuters) - The piano on which John Lennon composed "Imagine" goes on sale on Tuesday in a live transatlantic auction that caps a month of Beatlemania.Be it the opening of a new Lennon museum in Japan or the release of the band's first autobiography, Fab Four events have flowed thick and fast as global interest -- and money -- continues to circle the British idols.
Two solo albums were released last week to mark what would have been Lennon's 60th birthday, shortly after Paul McCartney put together a new Beatles dance record featuring out-takes from the band's 1960s heyday.
Tuesday's sale is expected to underline the band's iconic status with auctioneers predicting Lennon's Steinway will fetch about 1.5 million pounds ($2.20 million).
Steinway has authenticated the upright walnut piano as the one Lennon bought in 1970 for around 1,000 pounds.
The former Beatle, who composed "Imagine" on it a year later, was murdered in New York by Mark David Chapman on December 8, 1980. Chapman was denied parole earlier this month.
Auctioneers fleetwoodowen.com hope Lennon's magic will propel bidders to set a record price for a piece of pop memorabilia when the hammer falls on the upright Steinway Z.
Bidding will come live from Hard Rock Cafe branches in both London and New York, as well as via the telephone and Internet.
"THAT'S THE ONE"
The one-hour auction kicks off at 7 p.m. London time (1800 GMT).
Also on offer will be Lennon's old Ferrari 330GT, which the Hard Rock chain expects to fetch 80,000 to 100,000 pounds, and a pair of Lennon's trademark wire-rimmed spectacles.
But it is the piano that has aficionados drooling.
Film footage from 1971 shows a relaxed Lennon at its keys composing "Imagine" before he turns to his keyboard player to remark: "That's the one I like best."
Currently owned by a private collector, the piano has been on show for most of the year at the Beatles Story Museum in their home town of Liverpool.
Shelagh Johnston, curator of the museum, called it "a vital cornerstone of Beatles memorabilia, a piece of music heritage."
Liverpool is anxious to keep the walnut upright -- the museum has offered it a home and full insurance if a new buyer will keep it on display there -- but faces steep competition from Beatles' fans the world over.
"It would be very sad if it left the country but I've got this inkling that it will," Johnston told Reuters.
"The piano has commanded such reverence here. People have come from all over the world and it has brought them to silence. The music 'Imagine' plays and the people just stand there and look. That's a very touching sight."
Edited by - AhHah on 17 October 2000 12:40:44
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Do you believe ...
by AhHah insimply respond to each question with a yes or no answer (or '?
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before answering, please see my comments on general/main - "how about a survey?"..
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Carmel,
I would tend to agree.
I should have clearly addressed my last post, as I was intending it for Theo. I would like to read his eventual arguments, regardless of his premises.
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by AhHah insimply respond to each question with a yes or no answer (or '?
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before answering, please see my comments on general/main - "how about a survey?"..
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Theo,
Also (in addition to Carmel's statement) who would not argue that the effect of splitting an atom is much greater than the cause (the energy required to split the first atom)?
I would be interested in hearing your thoughts, however, regardless of the premise.
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Do you believe ...
by AhHah insimply respond to each question with a yes or no answer (or '?
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before answering, please see my comments on general/main - "how about a survey?"..
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Theo,
Since, hopefully, the point of this forum is to simply to share any thoughts that we would like to offer for consideration and discussion by anyone interested,
allow me to kindly propose, if you will, that I will completely agree with any and all premises, assumptions, constraints or conditions that you would like to impose upon any thought that you would like to share.
Edited by - AhHah on 17 October 2000 1:9:21