Posts by AhHah

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Political Statements of Value

by waiting in

in keeping with the celebration of presidential elections in the usa, i've found the following memorial quotes pertaining to this national pastime:.

"a conservative is a statesman who is enamoured of existing evils, as distinguished from a liberal, who wishes to replace them with others" ambrose bierce.

"if we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure.

AhHah

"Of all the gin joints in all the towns in all the world, Seven walks into mine."

Here's looking at you, kid.

Is that cannon fire, or is it my heart pounding?

Last night we said a great many things. You said I was to do the thinking for both of us. Well, I've done a lot of it since then, and it all adds up to one thing. You're getting on that plane with Frenchy where you belong.

We'll always have Katmandu. We didn't have - we lost it until you came to California. We got it back last night.

Seven, I'm no good at being noble, but it doesn't take much to see that the problems of three little people don't amount to a hill of beans in this crazy world. Some day you'll understand that. Maybe one day we'll find each other again -- in Hong Kong or God only knows where -- maybe in Antarctica. Here's looking at you, kid.

url http://www.q-net.net.au/~gihan/cquote.html

Edited by - AhHah on 26 October 2000 22:35:54

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Political Statements of Value

by waiting in

in keeping with the celebration of presidential elections in the usa, i've found the following memorial quotes pertaining to this national pastime:.

"a conservative is a statesman who is enamoured of existing evils, as distinguished from a liberal, who wishes to replace them with others" ambrose bierce.

"if we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure.

AhHah

SevenofNine,

You and Bob Seeger really get around! I am jealous! I have only been to Europe once (England) and Canada once. I really liked England and I look forward to seeing Italy (I'll be looking for you there) as well as many other European countries.

You should be easy to spot since you look just like that actress on Voyager (or are you actually her?). Do you hang out at Trevi fountain or any other famous places? Do you sign autographs for loyal fans?

I woke last night to the sound of thunder. How far off, I sat and wondered. Started hummin' a song from 1962. Ain't it funny how the night moves. When you just don't seem to have as much to lose, strange how the night moves, with autumn closin' in.

Edited by - AhHah on 19 October 2000 21:18:0

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Feeling sorry...

by TR in

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...for the average jw as i see them out in door to door work.

i shake my head and think; they just don't know.

or maybe they do, but are in a dilemma similar to thousands if not millions right now.

AhHah

TR,

I am also grateful to Ray Franz and internet forums such as this one. When I saw through the deception that starts with the GB my life began.

As someone who was taught to be devout from infancy, the teachings of the Borg were in every fiber of my being. They shaped every thought I had and every perception of myself and others. Every school class, every book I read, every news article I read, every conversation I had with anyone on any subject, every challenge I faced in my life, all were perceived through a carefully constructed, altered state of reality which prevented me from attempting to understand their true nature and effect upon me. This induced a denial about the very nature of my existence and the world that is more pervasive than any other that I can imagine.

As I stated in another thead recently, all the activities (in proper balance) are not bad for one, and I learned many good habits of personal development as a result of taking my faith and responsibilities seriously. These are things, however, that may be learned equally well outside of the context of God and religion, given proper training and direction -- and learned without the denial and mistrust of others, and without the cultlike isolation physically, mentally and emotionally, that can induce many types of personality dysfunctions among JWs.

It took over a year for me to completely divorce my mental indoctrinations. It took countless hours of studying everything I had been taught and re-evaluating them and how they had affected me. I would still be in that process if I had not had access to the thorough, well-researched books by Ray Franz. I went through many painful evenings, and yet I knew that this was a very important process, if I was to regain my life and my find my true identity. Of course, that was only a start, but it sure feels good to finally start.

I also grieve for those who are still deceived, many of whom I love and care about personally. I must remember that they will find out when they need to and, in many cases, when they will permit themselves to question beliefs that will shatter the very foundation upon which they have built their lives, and how they relate to themselves and the world and to God.

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Rock Star-Courtney Love (Cobain?)

by Pathofthorns in

when i went to school in olympia.

make me sick.

AhHah

Hey Path!

I didn't know we could say f*ck on this forum! I wish someone had told me sooner! F*ck!

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Do you believe ...

by AhHah in

simply respond to each question with a yes or no answer (or '?

' if unsure):.

before answering, please see my comments on general/main - "how about a survey?"..

AhHah

I was just wondering if everyone realizes that this thread is now (with this post) officially more popular than Masturbation - how serious is it? on this forum?! (newbies: see Stats link at top of page)

This thread is now second only to "Preacher Jimmy Swaggart and JW lawyers"!

Now don't we all feel better about ourselves?

See, we can be serious about subjects other than masturbation!

Edited by - AhHah on 19 October 2000 2:47:5

Edited by - AhHah on 19 October 2000 2:51:0

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Political Statements of Value

by waiting in

in keeping with the celebration of presidential elections in the usa, i've found the following memorial quotes pertaining to this national pastime:.

"a conservative is a statesman who is enamoured of existing evils, as distinguished from a liberal, who wishes to replace them with others" ambrose bierce.

"if we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure.

AhHah

Seven,

You say you want a revolution? Well, you know, we all want to change the world.

You say you got a real solution? Well, you know, we'd all love to see the plan.

You say you'll change the constitution? Well, you know, we all want to change your head.

You tell me it's the institution? Well, you know, you better free your mind instead.

Don't you know it's gonna be alright?

btw, 7, I've been dying to ask, what's up with the Vatican City location on your profile? Is that somewhere in Vermont or Kentucky maybe?

Edited by - AhHah on 19 October 2000 2:56:49

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Having some fun

by Scorpion in

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just picture this.. two jehovah's witnesses walking through the local mall or shopping center on saturday morning doing what most active jws do on saturday.

trying to get in their hours to report to big brother, or in this case, mother.. the two witnesses are doing street work.

one of the witnesses is a well known jw elder in the congregation.

AhHah

Seven of ten (or is that seven often?),

I want to congratulate you for having the initiative to read posts on this forum. That in itself makes a positive statement about you. It is a good start in allowing yourself to think for yourself and question what you have been taught. The truth has nothing to fear from examination, does it?

We are no stranger to the anger and frustration that you seem to be feeling! Most of us that post here have been in that place at one time or another. That is one reason that some of us no longer support that organization, because of the narrow interpretation du jour imposed upon its members. I would encourage you to read more of the recent posts before you hastily dismiss us as "losers", however.

I believe that you will find most to be genuine, loving, and sincere. Most still believe in God, even though we have been burned by religions of men. I hope that you will forgive us if we are insensitive to the feelings of sincere, active members of JWs. You see, many of us have suffered greatly at the hands of the religion, and being human, we sometimes need to vent here.

I have been somewhat presumptuous in speaking for the group that posts here, but I believe I have a pretty good idea of what they are about. If you would like to post a thoughtful defense of why you believe that God will only save Jehovah's Witnesses I for one will be happy to respond to it. You may enjoy reading many interesting comments already posted on the subject - see posts entitled "Do you believe" and "Why does God permit evil?", among others.

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So, what did u like as a JW?

by Pathofthorns in

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when you wore the "rose-coloured" glasses, what did u like about it?

post anything that comes to mind.

i sort of miss giving talks.

AhHah

Red,

I totally agree. Everyone misses out as a result of the fewer opportunities women are given to share in the teaching and administrative decisions and policies, since they are not allowed to serve as elders.

I am aware of the apostle Paul's restriction of women from teaching in the congregation. I cannot understand it, however. If women are to serve as kings and priests at the right hand of God and have authority over angels, why would their full and equal participation in the congregation not be desired? I know about the headship principle, but I question if it is truly the will of God, as opposed to the will of the men who wrote it.

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Why Does God Allow Evil?

by Frenchy in

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ahhah .

i did not want to complicate paths thread.

although this is directed to you, ahhah, naturally i welcome comments by all who participate here.. in reference to a portion of what i posted to seven:.

AhHah

Hi Frenchy,

What did Jesus mean by: "Happy are the mild-tempered ones, since they will inherit the earth.?" Matt 5:3 NWT

That is an excellent question in response to my post about my belief that Christ did not teach an earthly resurrection.

I offer for your consideration the explanation for Christ's statement, that I have quoted below from "The Complete Bible Commentary" (Thomas Nelson Publishers, Inc., ISBN 0-7852-0854-2):

" The meek ... shall inherit the earth refers again to those who have been humbled before God and will inherit, not only the blessedness of heaven, but shall ultimately share in the kingdom of God upon the earth. Here, in the opening statements of the Sermon on the Mount, is the balance between the physical and spiritual promise of the kingdom. The kingdom of which Jesus preached is both 'in you' and is 'yet to come.' The Christian is the spiritual citizen of the kingdom of heaven now."

To that I would also add that in Matthew 5:3, just two verses previous, Christ is quoted as saying "Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven."

The same Bible Commentary states the following about verse three:

"... They are the ones who will inherit the kingdom of heaven. It is obvious in this usage that the kingdom of heaven is a general designation of the dwelling place of the saved."

If Christ had intended us to understand that his words about the mild-tempered ones inheriting the earth implied their eternal life, or salvation, or resurrection, on earth, would that be understood to be in contrast to the poor in spirit, of whom he had just stated "theirs is the kingdom of the heaven"? Would the qualities of being mild-tempered versus poor in spirit cause one to qualify for earthly versus heavenly salvation or resurrection? Most likely, his comments were not intended to make any such distinction. If there were a distinction that needed to be made between earthly versus heavenly salvation, would he not have made that clear at some point to his disciples? The JWs try to support the earthly hope with their misinterpretation of Christ's words about the "other sheep". That is universally understood by Bible scholars to refer to the Gentiles.

I believe that this is essentially the same as what Carmel stated in his response above:

This can also be looked at individually on spiritual level where the meek and humble in manner inherit or have the "kingdom within them". Perhaps another way of understanding sovereignty other than purely in a temporal way.

Edited by - AhHah on 18 October 2000 13:13:0

Edited by - AhHah on 18 October 2000 22:1:17

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Political Statements of Value

by waiting in

in keeping with the celebration of presidential elections in the usa, i've found the following memorial quotes pertaining to this national pastime:.

"a conservative is a statesman who is enamoured of existing evils, as distinguished from a liberal, who wishes to replace them with others" ambrose bierce.

"if we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure.

AhHah

The silence here is deafening! Am I a very tiny minority on this subject?