i had finished watching all the videos on the royal commission's investigation of jehovah's witnesses (yes, i know more videos are being released).
i am still processing the information of everything that has emerged.
i do not plan to cover it all here, but i would like to point out that it is patently obvious that some of the wt representatives provided misleading information.
And in the 80s it was even more blatant. Check g83 8/11
It clearly emphasizes the need for physical punishment. Plus:
“Rod” is used also to symbolize the authority of parents over their children.
...The book of Proverbs makes many references to this authority, the term symbolizing all forms of discipline used, including the literal rod used for chastisement.
i had finished watching all the videos on the royal commission's investigation of jehovah's witnesses (yes, i know more videos are being released).
i am still processing the information of everything that has emerged.
i do not plan to cover it all here, but i would like to point out that it is patently obvious that some of the wt representatives provided misleading information.
"I have never seen it recommended"
Check these references when you can: “Rod of Discipline, The”—Is It Out-of-Date?: g92 9/8 26-27
I have them in a different language, but it basically states that the "rod" implies both correction and physical discipline and that the physical disciplines can be used when the other methods have not worked. I checked JW.org for the English version, but it only has publications from 2000.
This is only one among many references. I am surprised you have never seen this or similar information.
i had finished watching all the videos on the royal commission's investigation of jehovah's witnesses (yes, i know more videos are being released).
i am still processing the information of everything that has emerged.
i do not plan to cover it all here, but i would like to point out that it is patently obvious that some of the wt representatives provided misleading information.
"Dude, nothing, NOTHING, will change unless forced upon them by law with seriously serious penalties (e.g., millions of dollars of fines and/or jail time for leadership) for non-compliance. Even then they will do it with heels dragging."
My statement presupposes laws and penalties after the commission's investigation ends. I appreciate your frustration with lack of change in the past and lack of substantial change in general (which I admitted on my post), but I am sure the Governing Body will decree changes if that is what it takes for them to survive as a religion.
i had finished watching all the videos on the royal commission's investigation of jehovah's witnesses (yes, i know more videos are being released).
i am still processing the information of everything that has emerged.
i do not plan to cover it all here, but i would like to point out that it is patently obvious that some of the wt representatives provided misleading information.
I had finished watching all the videos on the Royal Commission's investigation of Jehovah's Witnesses (yes, I know more videos are being released). I am still processing the information of everything that has emerged. I do not plan to cover it all here, but I would like to point out that it is patently obvious that some of the WT representatives provided misleading information. Just today, I watched Governing Body member Jeoffrey Jackson.
There are many parts of his testimony that I could talk about, but one that is clearly a lie is the one related to corporal punishment. Although he was trying to evade the question of whether or not the Governing Body interprets Proverbs 13:24 as meaning corporal punishment, when cornered, he answered no and stated that he does not encourage it.
This is obviously a lie. There are many instances on the publication and on talks presented in the meeting and at conventions in which parents are encouraged to physically punish their children. Although it is not done so often now, it is still recommended. But I guess Mr. Jackson was using the theocratic warfare principle by clearly lying to people that, from his perspective do not deserve the truth.
I don't have much time now, but just felt compelled to state that this investigation is a real game changer. The fact that it is made public exposes the flaws of the WT and its governing body. For the first time in history, the WT is systematically subjected to public scrutiny and many so-called confidential documents are being exposed.
Some of the WT representatives have spoken as humble, but deluded men, but several others have have shown an unbelievable level of arrogance, which emphasizes how outrageous the cult's believes and attitudes are.
The issue of whether women could be involved in investigations of certain type of misconduct in the congregation has been discussed extensively.
I may be wrong here, but given everything I have heard from people who gave testimony, including Jeoffrey Jackson, I anticipate a very interesting change in the congregation's judicial process. I anticipated that in the near future a committee composed by women would be given the assignment of investigating certain types of misconduct.
Although, as Mr. Jackson stated, there is no way of women ever becoming elders, he and others have hinted on the possibility of agreeing to have women as decision makers in the investigation of the truthfulness of abuse allegations.
Since I stepped down as Elder some years ago, I have never been so confident that change is coming. Now, don't get me wrong, I have no hope of major transformations, but I look forward to the emergence of loopholes that would allow me to finally leave, which I could have done a long time ago, but I won't do it without my family.
i have noticed an apparently increasing number of men who are not interested in becoming ministerial servants or elders.
i also know of some that have voluntarily stepped down (which is my case) for no obvious solid reason.. i remember, during my teenage years or even during my twenties, the brothers were always looking forward to being appointed... although many still do, i have noticed there are many others with whom you do not know what the deal is.. since there is no freedom of speech within the organization, we remain in the dark about the motives and desires of everybody else.
i attend a congregation with only two ministerial servants, while it is full of men who do not seem to be willing to do more.. it is hard to tell exactly what is going on, since honesty is not possible while you are inside, but i am starting to think that more and more are becoming disillusioned.... .
I have noticed an apparently increasing number of men who are not interested in becoming Ministerial Servants or Elders. I also know of some that have voluntarily stepped down (which is my case) for no obvious solid reason.
I remember, during my teenage years or even during my twenties, the brothers were always looking forward to being appointed... Although many still do, I have noticed there are many others with whom you do not know what the deal is.
Since there is no freedom of speech within the organization, we remain in the dark about the motives and desires of everybody else. I attend a congregation with only two Ministerial Servants, while it is full of men who do not seem to be willing to do more.
It is hard to tell exactly what is going on, since honesty is not possible while you are inside, but I am starting to think that more and more are becoming disillusioned...
as we all know, the internet is a real game-changer in allowing us to know the truth about the watch tower and its history.
i always had doubts and it was the internet that presented me with the ever-growing number of individuals who were going through a similar struggle.. i give the internet a 9 in my awakening.
what about you?.
As we all know, the Internet is a real game-changer in allowing us to know the truth about the Watch Tower and its history. I always had doubts and it was the Internet that presented me with the ever-growing number of individuals who were going through a similar struggle.
I give the Internet a 9 in my awakening. What about you?
please share your experiences..
bigmac: in recent years--my older son got d/f--i found him through facebook--and we now have a good relationship. in fact--for the first time---i'm spending christmas with him and his lovely new wife--who is now expecting. as you can imagine--i'm thrilled with the idea i will be able to develope a relationship with a grand hild---a first experience for me--ive been denied contact with the first 7.
Sad story with a kind of nice ending. I am glad that you are restoring your relationship with your son. I have not experienced anything similar, but I have a couple of children and my fear of losing them is what prevents me from totally leaving at the moment. Things might change in a few years when they become adults. Thanks for sharing.
one of my main problems with the watch tower and, more specifically, with the governing body is the level of irresponsibility seen when lives of people are involved and their unapologetical attitude when people suffer due to their absurd policies.. how many people were imprisoned or killed for refusing to perform civil service in exchange for military service?.
we do not know, but it does not matter, because the society does not even apologize for the harm their blinking light caused.. how many people died or contracted illnesses due to the prohibition of vaccines?.
we might never know, but an apology is not on the menu.. how many people died for refusing (or disfellowshipped for accepting) fractions of blood when it was against the rules?.
One of my main problems with the Watch Tower and, more specifically, with the Governing Body is the level of irresponsibility seen when lives of people are involved and their unapologetical attitude when people suffer due to their absurd policies.
How many people were imprisoned or killed for refusing to perform civil service in exchange for military service?
We do not know, but it does not matter, because the society does not even apologize for the harm their blinking light caused.
How many people died or contracted illnesses due to the prohibition of vaccines?
We might never know, but an apology is not on the menu.
How many people died for refusing (or disfellowshipped for accepting) fractions of blood when it was against the rules?
We have no idea, but who cares, since Witnesses do not deserve an apology.
And this list could go on and on...
eight year old getting baptized!
(from a jw site.
this 8 year old sister was the youngest of the 31 who were baptized at a regional convention in bogo city, cebu, philippines on the weekend.
What a shame! The WT criticizes the Catholic church for the baptism of infants, but there is little difference between that practice and baptizing 7 and 8 year old children. An 8-year old child does not know what she is doing.
The WT is always ready to pull out examples of how Christians supposedly bahaved in the first century, but they seem to ignore the fact that there is no evidence of the baptism of children by first-century Christians. Even Jesus got baptized at 30.
But, of course, the WT understands that the earlier they can hook these members the better it is. If they wait a few years, when these young people start really using their critical faculties, it might be too late for the WT. But let's not also forget the (ir)responsability parents have in this regard.
Too sad...
if you were going to skip some parts of this book which ones would they be?
whats the best part?
i know i sound lazy, but i can't read this in bed next to my wife.
Read it in its entirety. There is always time and space if you are really interested: During lunch time at your job, at a coffee shop, whenever your spouse leaves the home, etc., etc.
