Bottom line....you're Hall will never be paid off with their brilliant scheme. Wake up people...they did not cancel your mortgage. It's a scam with Jehovahs name on it! That's how dirty rotten scoundrels work!
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10Who compared the KH donation arrangement to that of a never ending mortgage?
by Boeing Stratofortress init was one of the commenters replying to another thread, but i cannot find it.
it was a great rant & well thought out.
it basically put in simple terms how the donation arrangement is like being forgiven of your 10 year mortgage, then being told you should 'donate' an amount equal to your monthly mortgage payment, but indefinitely.. i'd really like to find that person's reply, so i can use the same logic with some of my family members.
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Who compared the KH donation arrangement to that of a never ending mortgage?
by Boeing Stratofortress init was one of the commenters replying to another thread, but i cannot find it.
it was a great rant & well thought out.
it basically put in simple terms how the donation arrangement is like being forgiven of your 10 year mortgage, then being told you should 'donate' an amount equal to your monthly mortgage payment, but indefinitely.. i'd really like to find that person's reply, so i can use the same logic with some of my family members.
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ToesUp
Here it is:
I hope that writing this, there will be some Lurkers that I can shake.
If you have not listened to Mays TV broadcast, please do. It may wake some up.
Note @ around 21-22 minutes into the broadcast Lett brings up the the Kingdom Halls/Assembly Hall loans have been cancelled and the congregation can now send in what they can afford. Wow...how many banks would do that?
What Lett fails to mention, is that there was a BOE letter regarding this. Page 1 was to be read to the congregation but page 2 and 3 were for the Elders eyes only. Well, on page 2 the question is asked: " What amount should be used for this new resolved monthly donation?
The answer: "The elders in congregations currently making loan repayments would likely propose a resolution that is at least the same amount as the current monthly loan repayment"
Ok, think about this...my bank (who holds my mortgage) calls me up and tells me that they are going to cancel my mortgage (cool!) BUT I have to continue to send the same amount to them every month for the remainder of my life. Let's say my mortgage would have been paid off in 10 years with my original mortgage. Cool...now I have a paid off home in 10 years. Now...the new way, let's say I live until I am 80 years old. Now I have to pay them the same amount for another 30 years? Ok, I am not a mathematician here but who's getting the raw end of the deal here? Me, me, me!!! I am an idiot if I go along with it.
It also asks the question on Page 3 of the letter: "What should be done if congregation funds are not sufficient to cover resolved donations?"
The Answer: "If sufficient funds are not available for all resolved donations in a particular month, additional funds should not be solicited. The elders should determine what amounts from the congregation funds that are available at the end of the month will be applied toward the re-solved monthly donation(s) and whether the shortfall should be made up in future months."
Ok, so don't solicit the funds but we will get the short fall in future months. Lett states that the "congregation can send in what they can afford." This is not sending in what you can afford. The congregation either has to send in the amount from the end of month available funds in the congregation or make up for it later.
Most publishers do not know that there is a Page 2 and 3 of the letter. There is a reason for that. Why not read page 2 and 3 to the Congregation. Do they have something to hide?
I listened to the May Broadcast and then directly read the BOE letter. I am disgusted!
I have been raised in this organization and at one time had some hope in these "men." They are dirty rotten scoundrels, living off of the ones trying to survive on what we can. They are cashing checks from little old ladies/men who are living off of rice and beans. They are using people for free labor!
It hurts that we all have been duped (including me at one time). No more!
Please everyone, vote with your wallets and THINK.
Rant over.
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New on here
by Tony Stark inhey so i'm new on here.
just wanted to introduce myself.
in my 20's and was rasied one, and very popular among the jw community.
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ToesUp
"And some of us, like myself, remain "in the fold" as silently active dissidents who are striving under the current circumstances in our local congregations to increase a more abundant spirit of love, compassion, and mercy -- and truth."
Unfortunately, our family has not met any of these silent active dissidents. The lack of love, compassion and mercy is something we have not experienced. I guess our area was skipped over. This goes further than just the GB, it is the CO's, pioneers, publishers and Elders who lack these qualities as well.
I could NEVER shun my children or a close friend. DF'ing is not done with a spirit of love, compassion and mercy. It is cruel and it hurts.
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New on here
by Tony Stark inhey so i'm new on here.
just wanted to introduce myself.
in my 20's and was rasied one, and very popular among the jw community.
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ToesUp
Tony Stark
Welcome. It is sad that you have lost friends and family. I hate the DF'ing policy. It's one of the many many reasons my family left the JW organization. They try and tell you its loving but that is BS.
Keep reading here, you will learn so much.
You are son young. You have your whole life in front of you. Make new friends and move on with your wonderful life.
There are some really kind people on this site and a lot of different experiences.
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Germany Branch Visit May 10 by Mark Sanderson
by Daniel1555 inthis saturday is the branch visit of mark sanderson in the selters german bethel.. there will be a video streaming for all the congs.. some of you might have heard branch visit talks of sanderson.. will there be something special or controversial?.
i am not sure if i should attend even if it's just for noting or recording some controversial stuff.
would be hard though, 3 hours of wasted time.
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Daniel1555
If you attend make sure you bring your bible so you can get the Rock Stars autograph. lol
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The present Governing Body will rule the U.S.A.
by John Aquila ini havent gone to meetings in about 1 year and a half.
one of my neighbors who is a jw-lady told me that the co on the last visit said that its very likely that right after armageddon (which is just around the corner) the present governing body members will be in charge of the united states since they are familiar with the culture.
and that the apostles and early christians will be in charge of areas like china.
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You have been out a year and they are still bats**t CRAZY! Nothing new! -
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Apostate views?
by Richard C B inif a brother is starting to look at material on the internet and starts to have serious doubts about the jw organisation and questions the integrity of the governing body.
what steps would be taken to by the congregation to readjust his thinking.
and also if the congregation is not aware of this but he has confided in an individual how would that individual try to help such a brother?.
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Richard C B , I agree it would be bad advice for an Elder to tell you to do more but that is what they will do. It's all about the busy work. If you're busy, you don't have time to think. They don't want you to think, they want you to conform. Thinkers are not allowed in this organization. This website if full of thinkers. Keep reading here, you will learn A LOT. Lots of good people here. Go back and read previous posts on here, there are SO MANY different and disturbing stories people have experienced.
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Apostate views?
by Richard C B inif a brother is starting to look at material on the internet and starts to have serious doubts about the jw organisation and questions the integrity of the governing body.
what steps would be taken to by the congregation to readjust his thinking.
and also if the congregation is not aware of this but he has confided in an individual how would that individual try to help such a brother?.
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ToesUp
They would counsel you:
Go to more meetings, go out in field serve us more, volunteer more, be a part of the Congregation. Do more, do more, do more. So doing more is the answer. I know when I have lots of disturbing thoughts, I do more. Yeah...like doing more is going to make those thoughts go away. It is not.
My best advise to you is get the hell out of there. This is NOT Gods organization. Watch Mays TV broadcast. If that doesn't do it, nothing will.
These Elders ARE NOT your friends and shepherds. If you mention that you are having doubts it will put you on their radar. They will do what they call "mark you." Seen it before! Trust no one!
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Rutherford's Satanic Lie
by Icarus insatan: "you certainly will not die!".
rutherford: "millions now living will never die!
"when satan told his lie, adam and eve both died despite his assurances.
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ToesUp
I have an idea:
I am going to buy a yacht and name it "The Yacht of Princesses." When everyone asks what the name means, I am going to tell them when Ruth, Naomi, Sarah, Rachel and numerous faithful women come back, I can have them on my yacht.
Then I will brace myself for my straight jacket and trip to the rubber room! lol
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May tv.jw.org program
by zophar inthe may broadcast on tv.jw.org.
we need money!.
http://tv.jw.org/#video/vodstudio/pub-jwb_201505_1_video.
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ToesUp
There has to be elders that are seriously questioning this. This has to be one of the most disturbing things I have seen. I was taught that we were part of an Organization that did not ask for money. Really!
We will see some Elders follow right along with whatever these idiots say. I guess the way we all have to look at it is, if they want to continue to give money, so be it. The issue is, that it is so sad that they are taking advantage of people (the majority) who are not wealthy but middle to low income. That's what REALLY bothers me.
"Don't go to college but give us all of your money." Hey guess what GB...these people have no money cause you've been telling everyone to pioneer and volunteer. If you were smart you would encourage everyone to get an education and be kinder and loving. Maybe your revenue stream would increase. Hello!