there is no doubt (in my mind at least from my own personal experience) that in day to day matters most witnesses are genuinely loving and kind (or "nice") people (though their indoctrination and fundamentalist mentality often inhibits their natural kindness and tolerance and often gets in the way of fulling showing it).
however i would like to put the case that when it comes to their ministry and theological/scientific discussion of any type, they fail to apply even the most basic of bible principles that they claim to espouse - the golden rule!
here is what occurred to me.... some things jw's would like men to do to them:.
"most witnesses are genuinely loving and kind (or "nice") people (though their indoctrination and fundamentalist mentality often inhibits their natural kindness and tolerance and often gets in the way of fulling showing it)."
Only when you are towing the company line. Once you decide to no longer participate in the cult, you are as good as dead. Conditional love all the way!!!
i don't have time to look up a post that showed that the society has a circuit leasing site...........so here we go.
lol.
i looked up circuit leasing in my program "copernic" (ah what a wonderful thing) and i came up with a page that shows that not only are they in grand rapids, mi but they are also in 4 other states.
LURKERS: VOTE WITH YOUR WALLETS! IF WATCHTOWER IS GOING TO HOLD YOUR FRIENDS AND FAMILY HOSTAGE IF YOU LEAVE! HIT WATCHTOWER WHERE IT HURTS! THEY LOVE MONEY!
i have heard of this happening before, but how often?
its pretty rare it seems.
i have often wondered if the elders would go this route with me since they knew i was actively sinning, but as far as i know, no jc was ever formed.
We have decided if the Elders contact us for a JC, we will request our attorney be present. Any announcement made about us will be sent to an attorney. I will let them know that. From what we understand, they will leave you alone once you threaten legal action. If any on here have done this, let us know how it worked for you.
I believe WT has a lot to worry about with the child abuse issues BUT I think eventually they are going to have to contend with those who seek legal advice as well. There is a storm brewing with the EX JW community!
so after three years of fading, my elder father has never really asked why we have chosen to stop attending.. today, after a mixed discussion, he starts talking about the "solution to all the world problems" and says "i don't know what you now believe, but i believe gods kingdom will fix everything" i let the comment go, and didn't respond.. then he goes on about the video "remember the wife of lot" because he just came from the convention last weekend.
"don't get caught up in this system...blah blah".
i couldn't help myself, and said one thing "dad, that video failed to show the next chapter of that account.
"I didn't press her to break her promise, but I did ask her, "could you find any flaws in his logic?"
She paused a moment, but conceded that no, she could not."
I believe that there are more people than we can imagine that feel the way your friend does. They can see it. I have a friend that I confided in and he agreed with everything I said but ended the conversation that..."if you do not return, you are going to die." That fear gets em every time. The social part of the cult is just something others can not give up. They just can NOT "cross over", no matter how logical you are. Crazy!
I actually quit trying. I found myself getting so frustrated. My spouse and I concluded that they will have to figure it out like we did. It is just not worth the frustration. Now we use that time to enjoy life. It's short!
i was at disney and when the song was on for a show it seemed to describe one leaving.
here are lyrics and my thoughts in ().
the snow glows white on the mountain tonightnot a footprint to be seen.a kingdom of isolation, (immediate isolation when entire social network cut off and shuns)and it looks like i'm the queen (only one alone)the wind is howling like this swirling storm insidecouldn't keep it in;heaven knows i've tried (start of waking up to break free of jw cult).
Yes...my spouse and I sing part of that song to each other sometimes. If you don't"let it go" things will drive you nuts!!!
if watchtower has no reason to df ones.
they have just become inactive.
do you all think wt will begin a witch hunt (df'ing) for these inactive ones?
Thank you all for your input on this. We truly appreciate it.
Thank you Blondie!
if watchtower has no reason to df ones.
they have just become inactive.
do you all think wt will begin a witch hunt (df'ing) for these inactive ones?
If Watchtower has NO reason to DF ones. They have just become inactive. Do you all think WT will begin a witch hunt (DF'ing) for these inactive ones? Ones who have not spoken to others or met with the Elders about their doubts, they have just disappeared.
This has become a topic in our household. Just want to get your feedback.
once i left ,i was done.
in over 10 years i didn't return except for my mother's funeral.
did you ever re enter the kh after you left?.
I would rather have a root canal!
so after three years of fading, my elder father has never really asked why we have chosen to stop attending.. today, after a mixed discussion, he starts talking about the "solution to all the world problems" and says "i don't know what you now believe, but i believe gods kingdom will fix everything" i let the comment go, and didn't respond.. then he goes on about the video "remember the wife of lot" because he just came from the convention last weekend.
"don't get caught up in this system...blah blah".
i couldn't help myself, and said one thing "dad, that video failed to show the next chapter of that account.
Dig hole in sand, insert head! The JW way. I feel your pain Stuck. Trying to "reason" with these people is frustrating. My spouse and I finally gave up. When we speak to family, it's about health, finances and the weather. It is safer that way. lol If we get on a WT subject, things don't go well. We remind them of that and tell them that we will have to "agree to disagree."
i've been hearing this from what i'd call 'dyed in the wool' type jobos.. 'it's not the same as it was a few years ago.....'.
i believe from what comes back to me via my spies -.
the dyed in the woolers are referring to how the gb are now blatantly pontificating threateningly it seems, about wanting money even from children, all the time.
"The comment that stood out to me was when one of them said that the society just doesn't feel the same, oh it's great and everything is perfect but it's so different now."
The closeness of the Org is gone. Days of a close knit Book study group with goody night (took the Book study away). We used to have picnics but large groups were frowned upon. My spouse and I had several parties at our home but it seemed someone always had something to say. I got so sick of someone invited starting something and I just finally told my spouse..."no more gatherings at our home."
Back in the 80's it seemed like we were all in this thing together. Fast forward 40 some odd years later, it is an organization that is jam pack full of petty rules and regulations. Now it is full of titles and special this and special that. Pettiness, titles and legalism has taken over! It's a shame! It has taken on a coldness. Mediocrity need not apply!
