I trust my spouse. That's it. NO ONE ELSE! Share NOTHING with NO ONE! Trust is not my strong suit.
Posts by ToesUp
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38Who can you trust to admit you have doubts?
by MrMonroe in(that is, doubts).
in margaret atwood's "the handmaid's tale", a futuristic story of life inside a repressive, abusive big brother-style society tightly controlled by religious fundamentalists, there's a passage in which the protagonist is alone with another woman at a state-controlled centre where prayers are generated -- then printed out and read out -- by a machine.
the other woman asks, in barely more than a whisper, "do you think god listens to these machines?
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Why Me?
by Grey Goose init the question that i have found myself constantly asking myself the past few months.
out of all the jws i interact with, why did it have to be me that woke up from this mess?.
i am relieved that i have woken up to the bullshit, but a side of me misses that fuzzy feeling of being a 100% believer.
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ToesUp
The only "Why me" question I have is...."Why me...why did I have to be born into this?"
I am glad I woke up while I was fairly young. We have relatives pushing 70 that have not woken up but have serious doubts. They have serious doubts but still say..."it's still the truth." WTF? How the hell can you have doubts but still feel it is the truth? Maybe I am missing something here!
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Making friends in the "truth"
by Jordandemm inwhat is it about making friends in the organisation am i the only one who had found it tough?
don't get me wrong there was some good people but unfortunately there was also a lot of egotism, back stabbing, jealousy and gossiping.
i could never really fit in any group, everytime i thought i had found a group it was as if i would be sidelined or ditched.
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ToesUp
I agree with dubstepped. We also were not included too many times. Not uberenough I guess.
We have also made some evil worldly friends via our business. When we go out to dinner with them we all fight over paying the check. When we were J W's we could never get anyone to pick up the tab (even when facing unemployment).
One wealthy couple just bought a brand new boat. They took us along to pick it out. They wanted to see if we liked the seating on the boat when we come along with them. We had to pinch ourselves, we have never had kind and generous friends in the WT.
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Making friends in the "truth"
by Jordandemm inwhat is it about making friends in the organisation am i the only one who had found it tough?
don't get me wrong there was some good people but unfortunately there was also a lot of egotism, back stabbing, jealousy and gossiping.
i could never really fit in any group, everytime i thought i had found a group it was as if i would be sidelined or ditched.
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ToesUp
Jordandeem
It's not you...trust me. The jw's are exactly as you described. Very few good ones left.
Keep looking for friends (non JW). There are some good and genuine people out there, they just take a little time and effort to weed out the good ones. I would much rather have a small group genuine friends than a large number of fake/phony/conditional friends.
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Question: refuse, or limit to collaborate with elder inquiry?
by prologos inshould a teen, a child of a believing mother, cooperate in the fact-gathering of the elders into the waywardness (not sex related, hopefully) of some local teenagers?
what scenarios can you see playing out?
all teens to clam up?
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ToesUp
I wouldn't trust any of the Elders to take care of my goldfish, much less interfere in what my kids are doing. Parents should seek professional help if needed. The Elders are not professionals. They only are taught in the art of judgement and their form of discipline. Just look over the secret Elders book and you will learn a great deal on how the Elders are "instructed" to handle problems. -
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Our COBE(Coordinator Of Body of Elders) Cried at the Kingdom Hall
by James Jack init was announced recently, that "bro.
z is no long the coordinator(76 years old), bro y(60) is now the new coordinator of the body of elders".. you see, bro.
z has been an elder for 43 years and 35 of them as the cobe/po.
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ToesUp
As one brother (Elder) said to us..."he has been put out to pasture." They no longer are of use to this cult. Just like the Bethelites that were recently let go. This is a self serving organization. The road only goes one way...THEIR WAY!
LURKERS; VOTE WITH YOUR WALLETS!
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What would we all do if the watchtower collapsed tomorrow ?
by stan livedeath ini would probably collapse laughing.
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ToesUp
It would no longer impact our daily lives. We would have some really devastated family members. Most on my spouses side are all Uber. They wouldn't know what to do without WT. No friends (non jw), no jobs and probably not a penny to their name. If WT went away, so would the titles, they would just die! -
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A poll of sorts: How long have you been a "fader" for?
by SecretSlaveClass ini'm curious about the following:.
1) how long have you been a fader for?.
2) how often do you still get pressure from congregation members and/or family to return as an active witness?.
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ToesUp
1) How long have you been a fader for? 3years
2) How often do you still get pressure from congregation members and/or family to return as an active witness? Not too much anymore. Pretty much told everyone to "buzz off."
3) What is the longest period you have ever known anyone to successfully fade? A successful fade in my view, would be someone who has faded for a period of time but no longer receives any pressure to return to active service (completely left alone). Don't know too many, if any.
4) If you have been a fader for more than two years, do you fear you would eventually have to face DA or DF?
Don't really care but they had better have a good reason in writing so I can forward to my attorney.
5) As faders, how many of you are being treated as if you were DF'd/DA'd? Haven't bumped into too many people. My spouses family still treats us the same (they don't know too much).
6) Have you faded rather than DA'd due to the possible loss family or is it because you have no network of friends outside the Org? N/A
7) If you consider yourself a fader how many meetings/assemblies/ field service groups do you still attend on average per month? None. Haven't stepped foot in KH in 3 years and won't.
8) As a fader do you feel that the Org is completely powerless over your life? Yup. They are just a bunch of high and mighty, narcissistic men. Nothing more.
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Feeling A Bit Down Today
by jacobm inhey y'all, .
i'm not sure about you, but i occasionally get those days where i feel a bit down, as if i have no friends.
i do have a number of great friends, though, and am very thankful for them.. i think it might have to do with the residual programming of having a "worldwide brotherhood".
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ToesUp
Sorry you are feeling down. We all get that way sometimes.
Just try and focus on the few good/true and unconditional friends you have. Maybe you could try and call one of those great friends and see if they want to meet up for a quick lunch or cup of coffee. Maybe that would help.
Keep in mind that all the JW friends had conditions. Unfortunately, that is not a friend.
Hang in there and know that you have ones who care and understand what you are going through.
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ToesUp
"This convention seems designed more for those INSIDE the organisation rather than outsiders.."
Yup Stuck, they are trying to retain what they have left. It's nice to see them sweat. People ARE waking up!