Posts by ToesUp

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With up to 70% of young ones leaving what's the future of the jw's?

by karter in

jw
friends

they wlll always have new people coming in but the majority of the congro's are getting older particularly the inner city ones were it is expensive to live.

they are struggling to get men to be elders and m.s's and this can only get worse as very few young ones stay around.

karter..

ToesUp

They will still be around. There will be those who just stick around for family and friends (they know TTATT but can't leave) and then there are those who know NOTHING else. We have family members who have NO life out of WT. No jobs or they are self employed. They live in there own little world. None of them have planned for the future (old age and retirement) so are now scrambling or worrying about their financial future.

WT will be a much smaller cult than is has been in the past but it will never go away. There is a sucker born every minute, so there will be those who are down and out in life that will gulp down the WT kool aid.

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Major Doctrinal Changes Must Be On The Way

by notsurewheretogo in

the statement in the article "who is leading gods people today?

" in the feb 17th study edition of the wt is very interesting.. it states: ""the g.b.

is neither inspired nor infallible" ..we can err .in doctrinal matters....".

ToesUp

The most common thing we hear from our JW family is...."OBEY, OBEY, OBEY." Obedience is one of the major bullet points of being part of a cult.

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Why take it personally?

by stuckinarut2 in

jw
friends

a random thought occurred to me today.. i actually feel genuinely sorry for witnesses who cut contact with ones they feel are no longer "spiritual" .. they do this based not on anything that the person has actually done to them personally, but due to an imposed view from the society.. it must play havoc with their inner conscience as they try and reconcile that the person they cut off has not actually done anything to harm them, but they have to view them as evil.. it reminded me of this thread i started some time back.

https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5751633187176448/all-my-friends-organisation.

ToesUp

I have come to the conclusion that if former "friends" and family do not want anything to do with me or my family, it is their loss. My family has so much kindness and love to give. We did when we were JW's and nothing has changed. The only thing that has changed is our beliefs. They can not get past, "that you left Jehovah" (aka, the organization). We finally realized that Jehovah is the organization. Life goes on and we are enjoying the short life we are given.

If these ones don't want us, we reverse shun them. "Turnabout is fair play."

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Why are JWs so sensitive to criticism?

by Half banana in

i remember a roman catholic priest acknowledging on the bbc that the outrageously anti-clerical tv comedy father ted was a humorous mocking of his church but an acceptable thing.. try mocking the jw religion to a believer and the result is so very different.. just why is it that jehovah's witnesses can never take even the faintest hint of criticism of their religion?.

ToesUp

Because narcissists loath criticism. It's always someone else's fault, not theirs. NEVER their fault.

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So the Elders want to get together, and I kinda want to.

by Darkknight757 in

so the wife and i were uninvited to another jw get together which we didn't want to go to anyways.

finally we find out that something on my facebook account is getting some people's in my old halls undies in a bunch.

so i was thinking of meeting with them to at least clear my wife's name and give them some much needed hell.

ToesUp

If you have nothing to loose, go for it. It looks like they have already decided to shun you and your wife. They actually "uninvited" you. I guess that says a lot.

Everyone has to handle things in their own way. Everybody's story is different.

Keep us posted on what you do.

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If the GB changed a major teaching, would all witnesses just go along with it?

by stuckinarut2 in

so if the gb changed its "bible based beliefs" on some teaching, would witnesses all of a sudden change their individual beliefs too?.

witnesses like to claim that "their bible trained hearts and minds" make them believe as they do, but we know that the reality is that all witnesses hold their "deep seated beliefs" according to what they have been told to believe.. so what would cause the average witness to question those that dictate their "personal convictions"??.

thoughts?.

ToesUp

"The thing I think is most effective is an act that is perceived as blatant injustice to the individual. Once they find that no one really cares about justice or theocratic reasoning, that is their best chance at eyes opening."

Exactly Millie. Once it is done to THEM, the tables turn. We observed this a few years ago. A close friend was stripped of his "privileges". You would have thought that WT had put him in a concentration camp and tortured him. Now that he has his "privileges" back all is right in JW land. He marches merrily along....UNTIL they do it to him again! It's always easier being the screwer verses the screwee. There is a song by Lady Gaga titled, til it happens to you. The song is about sexual assault. No one understands what that person goes through until it happens to them. It personally affects them.

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The Great October 2016 Invite to the Sunday Meeting campaign ...

by freddo in

jw
friends

well how's it going round your way?

massive increase of interested ones?

did you even know it was supposed to be happening?

ToesUp

Well, they will be consolidating congregations very SOON. It has already started in some places. This will give the publishers a "fuller feel" at the meetings. Then they can all brag on how the org is growing, Jah's chariot is speeding up and the WT gets to make additional money selling off unused (empty) Kingdom Halls. Everyone wins! lol Maybe WT can sell the halls to the growing numbers in Babylon the Great. They sold our hall to Babylon years ago. HYPOCRITES!

JW's can have the delusional thoughts that WT is growing, but we all know the REAL reason.

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Question: Can't You Just Ignore A Judicial Committee?

by Sorry in

one thing i've never understood is judicial committees.

yes, i understand it's held to see if elders should go through with the disfellowshipping process.

but why give them all the power?

ToesUp

You can let them know that you will attend the Judicial committee BUT only under one condition, that your attorney be present as well. They will say no. Then tell them that any DF'ing decision will be turned over to your attorney. You will NEVER hear from them again. They will drop you like a hot potatoe. You too can play ugly!

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WTBTS/CCJ.W.'s incriminate themselves

by The Searcher in

we are deeply indebted to wifibandit for such revealing documentation.. https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5690963588546560/november-1-2016-all-bodies-elders-re-using-maintaining-kingdom-halls.

incidents: .

38. when property damage occurs, quick action can go far in preventing further damage.

ToesUp

WT only cares for themselves. The money only flows one way...into WT's pocket. If a Kingdom Hall is broken into, one of WT's precious real estate assets has been compromised. A child being molested, well as WT states...."those are apostate driven lies." Sad but true.

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So does the Almighty God Jehovah make mistakes, or is the society NOT his spokesman?

by stuckinarut2 in

the society claims to be jehovah gods sole channel on earth - his spokesman.. if any witness disagrees with this claim, they are branded as an apostate and punished.. but the society has made countless errors over the century, and repeatedly changed doctrines and beliefs.

not to mention the appalling foundation teachings of the organisation's teachings!

so a simple question: is god making msistakes and getting things wrong, or is this proof that the society is not guided by god?.

ToesUp

Now stuck... that would be presumptuous to answer that question. Lol