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  Mystery of the ' Strange Couple '

  by Esse quam videri in

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  this strange couple was seen on main st. in vancouver, b.c.

  a casual observer would be hard pressed to figure out their relationship.

  the man seems a little young for the woman.

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  .....And that my fellow friends is how they put in those pioneer hours!
  
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  Summary of CO visit this week.

  by StarTrekAngel in

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  so i was eagerly (add sarcasm) awaiting the co visit this week.

  for once because is less work being at the meeting.

  i just have to sit down and listen.

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  If you are the type of father who thinks about not pressuring your child into following the path of Jehovah, then that is the most absurd thing I've ever heard"

  LOL. Every single brother that lends me an ear (there have been plenty), I always tell them the same thing:

  "You can't force your kids to love Jehovah unless it's sincere and it originates with them. Forget about anyone that tells you otherwise."
  

  I then go on to explain that forcing any child to do something against their will can only have disastrous results. I also ask them to look around and see the results from families that have done this.
  

  Every time I explain this to a family or family head I always see how mentally they are battling with the teachings of the org and what I just suggested.
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  Your Baptism Pics

  by kairos in

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  from the most important day of your life.... .

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  I started to swim away after being dunked desperately repeating in my head over and over again "what have I done?!" "what have I done?!"
  
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  Who Really is ..... The Blood Washed Multitude (Great Crowd) ?

  by Perry in

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  2. beliefs

  for jw's the issue has never been who the faithful and wise servant (f&ds) was.

  that is just misdirection and sleight of hand.

  it is plain from the context that this was obviously a rhetorical question meant for self introspection.

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  Faulty Reasoning to Promote God's "Name"

  by Dissonant15 in

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  2. beliefs

  as i am newly awoken, i am daily having epiphanies & revelations now.

  i've been casually wondering to myself since the propagandist broadcast about the name "jehovah" if it would be more proper to call him "yahweh" to myself.

  well tonight the answer suddenly came to me: it doesn't matter.

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  I still have those even after being out mentally for almost 10 years.
  
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  Lurker trying to gain clarity

  by questioningmyfaith in

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  hello all, i would like to first say that i am basically questioning my faith in god.

  i am not negative towards the wt at all.

  so honestly i am to concerned with more ad hominem attacks towards the wt because i still love the organization and the people in it.

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  @ questioningmyfaith - Thanks for having the courage to speak your mind on this forum. It allows me and the members to get an insight on what other JW's are feeling. Congratulations on seeing the truth about many false or corrupted teachings in the organization. If brothers truly adhered to Scripture, there would be so many more people questioning the GB.
  

  Now, to answer your question or at least add my thoughts:

  If you go back to just say the 1950s in this country, and the world in general, you'll notice that people were more cognizant of their fellow humans. So what happened? The morality and depravity of humans started to reveal itself. How? Why? The Bible is clear when it says "you will hear of wars, but do not be frightened, for the end is until the appointed time." The Christ knew people would go through ALL of this in the future and many would start to question our existence because of it. Think about how Job felt when he preferred death to continuing to suffer. The Bible also spoke of the majority of people growing cold with each other because of these happenings.

  I will however, give you a bit of advice. Let no one deceive you, like the Apostle Paul said "into believing the day of Jehovah is here." The GB is excellent at doing this and instead of trying to convert people with love, they use fear. A tactic that is sure to yield results as the over 8 million members will attest to (the majority lacking critical thinking skills). The end will come but not by anything or anyone belonging to the WTS. They will continue throwing darts to see if any of them will hit the bulls-eye.

  Don't lose your hope in Jehovah God and the Christ. They exist and the proof is all around us such as our regenerative Eco-system. The diverse animal life which many scientist still failing to even replicate some basic animal characteristics. The perfect position of the moon and sun, and our incredible, incredible bodies that have hundreds of automatic sequences and operations.
  
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  Anybody have any "REAL" experiences of spirit/demon activity? I'll explain.

  by runForever in

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  i know there is a lot of people on here that will say it is pure make believe but i am interested if anybody has had any real concrete things happen such as something moving or something appearing in the mirror etc.. anything just post it up here even if it wasn't much.

  please give a little context as to the situation..

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  I noticed many people are denying the actual existence of higher dimension demonic spiritual forces.

  The volume of supernatural movies that Hollywood is releasing is a testament to the reality of these forces. Ask yourself, why would a Hollywood Director spend millions advertising a film plot that could never be true? Could never be reality?

  If demons did not exist, I don't believe people would be scared out of their minds when viewing these films. Much less spend millions going to watch them.

  It's kinda like a young 5 year old toddler watching a movie about Barney and NOT believing he is real. What would be the point?

  And for those people that don't see, hear, or feel anything. For some obscure reason, these spirit beings do not wish to make their presence known. Perhaps you no longer believe in God which is a perfect reason as Scripture says.
  

  Now on to my personal story. One thing is to imagine seeing something, speaking to it, hearing it. Another matter altogether is to actually feel it. When we dream even during the REM stage, our bodies can still sense touch. Many times I've been poked and pinched only to jerk awake. I've been touched, patted, and spoken to. But unlike many people, I simply shrug it off and sometimes being really tired I actually ask "them" to leave me alone and go right back to sleep.

  Still don't believe demons are real but imagined? Cool project:

  Curse Satan and his buddies out loud while playing the Ouija board (available at your local Toys r' Us) or while playing "Charlie". Better yet, light many candles and go into a deep meditative state and then in a loud voice summon Satan or his buddies. Then you will see for yourself how real these entities really are.

  As a side note; yes, I've personally also played the Ouija board when I was younger. That was the last time I did something so stupid.
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  Guardians Of Doctrine (GOD) and the Governing Body

  by punkofnice in

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  i don't know if gb member g jackson really meant the gb were 'god', with his 'guardians of doctrine' comment at the arc.

  it's nice and conspiracy to think so, i suppose.

  i honestly don't know.

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  Jackson subconsciously inserted the acronym several times throughout right into the subconscious completely bypassing the conscious mind.

  It's a scientific fact that's been studied for more than 50 years possibly longer.

  The WTS uses a combination of propaganda techniques, NLP, and subliminal imaging and wording.
  
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  Is this a subtle clue that the leaders really see the "great tribulation" of the WT coming soon?

  by never a jw in

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  similarly, we cannotexpect that the future interruption inthe great tribulation will result in aninflux of new believers.

  rather, it willbe an opportunity for all true believersto prove their love for jehovah andgive their support to christs brothers.. (par.

  7, page 16, wt july 2015).

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  It's the same darn tune different year. They are seeing the amounts they will have to fork out and are trying to scare the friends into sending in as much dough as possible.

  Does anyone remember that one WT study where one picture shows the friends gathered in a basement with the little girl looking right into the camera? The fact that the little girl was looking directly into the camera is a propaganda technique to make the reader, yes mentally force them, to identify themselves with the people in the group.

  Gotta love the propaganda techniques they continue to use. Feels like FOX News sometimes.
  
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  If they go bankrupt, so what?

  by maksutov in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  it seems likely that the watchtower is worried about its finances, given the downsizing, property schemes, and money-grabs we have been seeing over the last few years.

  perhaps they suffered badly from the financial crisis.

  for sure, there will be more expenses to come from child abuse payouts.

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  Considering it is a Pharisee-like organization and it is Jehovah God who will ultimately manipulate their downfall or expose them for who they really are, which I believe is happening right now, nothing can stop their downfall. The governing body will scramble like little lab rats trying to cover their rear-ends (Morris finally cutting that mane) trying to move and save as much wealth as possible (power no longer there, money takes over). It reminds me of Ray Franz whom the governing body gave $10k to, when he resigned from the board. Anyone know of someone getting such as nice sendoff?
  

  The members will temporarily be left without a central authority i.e. governing body, leadership and eventually the Christian model will return to the congregations with elders taking the lead on a local level. Just like in Biblical times.
  

  IMHO.