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  Great Tribulation and Trump

  by TakeOffTheCrown in

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  please, let's discuss this subject without attacking one another.. it appears that trump has won a victory that no one expected.

  is it possible that trump may play a part in the great tribulation?.

  there are some who believe trump is one of the most unqualified of men to ever be elected president of the united states.

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  We are still a ways from the beginning of the GT.

  The gb wishes that Trump would be the beginning of the end.

  In reality, the gb and all their maggot lackeys and ball lickers and ass suckers will need to bite it first.
  
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  British Branch up for Sale

  by wannaexit in

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  more money for mother!!.

  http://ibsaproperty.com/.

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  Somebody should vandalize it, breaking every window, spray painting every inch of the property. This way they would have to invest money to repair it, money that would not necessarily come from insurance, and it would be months before they could list it again.
  

  I'm sorry......did I type this out? Thinking out loud again! Oops!
  
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  Major Doctrinal Changes Must Be On The Way

  by notsurewheretogo in

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  the statement in the article "who is leading gods people today?

  " in the feb 17th study edition of the wt is very interesting.. it states: ""the g.b.

  is neither inspired nor infallible" ..we can err .in doctrinal matters....".

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  I agree with the OP. They may be "tenderizing" the flock, massaging them a little getting them nice and relaxed and gullible and then SMACK "we just receive new light and we are "adjusting" our 1914 view.

  As much as we'd like to see and believe, Losch and the rest of his whores won't do anything to take away any of their precious power hold.

  I don't see the blood issue or any other significant issue being tackled and discarded. Those issues can have devastating consequences on membership and money. The blood issue will in all probability spark thousands of lawsuits. The "anointed" issue would cause mass confusion and a significant exodus.

  I just don't see any other issue but the 1914 issue if there is an issue, to be considered and discarded. All others will cause a tremendous uproar.

  Either way, their reign is coming to an end. Yes, YOUR REIGN IS COMING TO AN END. Go back and report that you lackey (not the OP).
  
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  JW's and the forgotten Jesus

  by LevelThePlayingField in

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  so as i have been waking up more and more over the past 3 years...i keep telling myself i'm fully awake and then i wake up more, but that's a different thread.

  but anyway, i've noticed a lot lately that the wt does not mention jesus or christ very much in their literature and neither to jw's in their conversations.

  they mainly talk about jehovah.

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  It goes deeper than what we are actually seeing or hearing.

  Jesus is the only way to the Father.

  Jesus' name is the ONLY one that can save a person.

  Jesus' suffered so we can put faith in Him.

  Jesus' suffered so we would become His witnesses, and servants.

  If JW's don't have Jesus in any of these ways and are only his "footstep" followers than they become no different than someone who is a "footstep" follower of Satan. They are merely following someone but have no significant vested interest in Him.

  JW's have been, and continue to be, deliberately alienated from Jesus in order to be Satan's followers by default. No Jesus, No God. Magazine after magazine, tract after tract, book after book, speech after speech, video after video, and assembly after assembly, they reinforce this alienation and supplant it with loyalty to the Org/Jehovah. And like the OP noted, you have a very, very tiny lot where Jesus is actually mentioned. And I believe this is only because Jesus is actually part of prayer and has to be mentioned when some scriptures are read or his role is mentioned.
  

  The Org compliments and seals this rejection by making sure 99.9% of members deliberately reject His body and blood at each Memorial/Passover.

  The Org has deliberately changed the word "worship" to "obeisance" in the bible to further take away Jesus' powerful role.

  Anyone that carefully reads their sh** bible can see how, when scripture touches on anything relating to Jesus, they have changed the sentence structure to a point where the reader can easily lose the point of the passage. Let me give you an example from their bible and then one from the NRSV:

  
  (Acts 4:18) . . . With that they called them and ordered them not to say anything at all or to teach on the basis of the name of Jesus. (NWT)

  (Acts 4:18) . . . So they called them and ordered them not to speak or teach at all in the name of Jesus. (NRSV)

  Do you notice how they use filler words unnecessarily and in a roundabout way finally make the point of the passage?

  This is just a very small part of the puzzle.

  I don't doubt that the Org is purposely serving Satan as Jehovah by replacing themselves as Jesus, mankind's only savior for their own need of power and worship which is what Satan ultimately wanted from Christ.

  Another interesting point is their stand on blood transfusions. Remember what Christ said? "Learn what this means: "I desire mercy, not sacrifice.""

  Christ complimented this by giving the illustration of the fallen sheep. Now ask yourself, if Jesus was willing to break the Sabbath in order to save a sheep, not a human, a sheep, and purposely incur the wrath of God, wouldn't it make sense that accepting a transfusion to save a human life and thereby breaking the most sacred Law in the Mosaic and risking the wrath of God, would be acceptable in Christ's eyes? Yes!

  So why does the Org completely overlook this life-saving lesson?

  Simple. What does Satan want? Where do Satanists draw their power from? Blood!

  So yes, every death is a sacrifice to Satan. I know it sounds weird if not hard to believe, but if you put everything together, all the evidence, that's where it points to.

  So how do all those friends experience all those wonderful miracles and "blessings from Jehovah?" Yes, Satan continues to "transform himself into an angel of light".

  That gidly feeling the friends get when at the KH is not the spirit of Christ but of Satan.

  And if Jesus is Jehovah (still researching but evidence points to this), then it certainly makes sense that the friends have given their back completely on God and are worshiping a name not found in the NT instead of the true savior in Christ.
  

  The rabbit hole is pretty deep. Yes, indeed.
  
  
  
  
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  Starting a 'Bible Study' - The Basics

  by Joe Grundy in

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  i never was a jw.

  i was brought up in a fairly fundie sect (pb) and have been for many years an interested atheist.

  i am an admirer of the work of bart ehrman (and recommend his blog).. from time to time, jws call at my door and invite me to partake in a 'bible study'.

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  Yeah, I find it interesting that most JW's carry that smug arrogant mentality that they know their bible until they run into someone who really knows the bible. Then, it's "reach for the reasoning book" time or "let me get back to you on that" time.

  I've read Ehrman and he does bring up many valid points. It's funny how the JW's of all the religions, hate the Catholics the worst, and yet it was their council that brought them their "silver sword". Hahahahaha
  
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  RUSSIA: Many meetings raided and evidence planted

  by ZAPPA-ESQUE in

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  raids on jehovah's witness premises now take place more than three times per month.

  these raids on doctrinally pacifist* religious communities often involve many heavily armed and camouflaged officials, with the "discovery" of apparently planted banned "extremist" literature.

  legal dissolution of communities can follow.. http://www.forum18.org/archive.php?article_id=2228.

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  I feel bad for the friends to whom it happens to. We all have to remember that the majority of friends are mind conditioned and truly believe they are suffering for God.

  I don't however, feel bad when it happens to ass***** like elders and friends that act like dictators and "lord over" other lowly friends. I wouldn't piss on them even if they were on fire.

  If it happened to any of the GB I would probably dance a jig.
  
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  Circuit Organization Guidelines English (S-330-E Us)

  by wifibandit in

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  circuit organization guidelines english (s-330-e us) 03/13.

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  Thanks as always wifibandit. Big thumbs up for all your hard work in making this "classified" material available to us.
  
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  HELP needed from folks in UK, esp. in Scotland!

  by WTS Archive in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  tl;dr: if you live either in scotland or in other parts of uk and you don't mind traveling, you might be able to help a fellow ex-jw by being present during a courtcase where she alone has to face more than two dozens of jws who have ruined their business.

  please contact me directly for details on when and where the court case will be held (i will know these details in few days probably).

  ps.

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  For once, I wished I lived in Scotland!!
  
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  A Message to the Governing Body of J.W.'s - from Christ Himself!

  by The Searcher in

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  (john 7:34) you will look for me, but you will not find me, and where i am you cannot come.

  (john 8:21) "so he said to them again: "i am going away, and you will look for me, and yet you will die in your sin.

  (john 13:33) "little children, i am with you a little longer.

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  @ Searcher and punkofnice - they hate Christ. their new "silver sword" translation proves it. Look at how they selectively translate the word "worship" when it comes to Jesus. Notice the same Greek word in parentheses and THEIR perverted translation when it comes to Jesus Christ. It's quite disgusting:
  

  2013 JEHOVAH'S WITNESS BIBLE NEW WORLD TRANSLATION:
  (Revelation 19:4) . . . And the 24 elders and the four living creatures fell down and "worshipped" (prosekynēsan) God who sits on the throne and said: “Amen! Praise Jah!”
  
  (John 4:20) . . . Our forefathers "worshipped" (prosekynēsan) [God] on this mountain, but you people say that in Jerusalem is the place where people must worship.”
  
  (Matthew 2:11) . . . And when they went into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and falling down, they did "obeisance" (prosekynēsan) to him.. . .
  
  (Matthew 14:33) . . . Then those in the boat did "obeisance" (prosekynēsan) to him, saying: “You really are God’s Son.”
  
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  Requesting a few dozen copies of any edition of Watchtower and/or Awake!

  by Pete J in

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  2. bible

  i need maybe 2-5 dozen copies of any edition of the watchtower or awake!

  magazines to distribute to family, friends, and neighbors.

  any reasonable condition.

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  @ freddo and Searcher - Oh yeah, this is a site that welcomes anyone and everyone. Just don't say nothing positive about the Org or ask for spare magazines and you'll be just fine.