That sounds fascinating and heartwrenching at the same time. Where did you find it? Where can I get one?
Posts by alamb
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6"Going Undercover to Rescue my Daughter" well worth reading
by wednesday ini just received by mail the book "going undercover to rescue my daughter (from the cult of jehovah's witnesses" ) author nancy sage, our own poster, hopie.
the book is short-94 pages, has pictures of her family, and news articles about her family.
the cover page is very stricking.
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Did they ever want d/f`d people viewed as dead?
by jambon1 ini think there was a wt/km reference on here at one time which stated that disfellowshipped individuals should be viewed as 'dead'.
can someone please post me the link to some of the wt quotes relating to how d/f`d people should be viewed.
it is very important to me.
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alamb
"We are not living today among theocratic nations where such members of our fleshly family relationship could be exterminated for apostasy from God and his theocratic organization, as was possible and was ordered in the nation of Israel in the wilderness of Sinai and in the land of Palestine. "Thou shalt surely kill him; thy hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. And thou shalt stone him to death with stones, because he hath sought to draw thee away from Jehovah thy God, . . . And all Israel shall hear, and fear, and shall do no more any such wickedness as this is in the midst of thee."-Deut. 13:6-11, AS."
"Being limited by the laws of the worldly nation in which we live and also by the laws of God through Jesus Christ, we can take action against apostates only to a certain extent, that is, consistent with both sets of laws."
"The law of the land and God's law through Christ forbid us to kill apostates, even though they be members of our own flesh-and-blood family relationship. However, God's law requires us to recognize their being disfellowshiped from his congregation, and this despite the fact that the law of the land in which we live requires us under some natural obligation to live with and have dealings with such apostates under the same roof."
"...if the children are of age, then there can be a departing and breaking of family ties in a physical way, because the spiritual ties have already snapped."
"If children are of age and continue to associate with a disfellowshiped parent because of receiving material support from him or her, then they must consider how far their spiritual interests are being endangered by continuing under this unequal arrangement, and whether they can arrange to support themselves, living apart from the fallen-away parent. Their continuing to receive material support should not make them compromise so as to ignore the disfellowshiped state of the parent. If, because of acting according to the disfellowship order of the company of God's people, they become threatened with a withdrawal of the parental support, then they must be willing to take such consequences."
"Satan's influence through the disfellowshiped member of the family will be to cause the other member or members of the family who are in the truth to join the disfellowshiped member in his course or in his position toward God's organization. To do this would be disastrous, and so the faithful family member must recognize and conform to the disfellowship order. How would or could this be done while living under the same roof or in personal, physical contact daily with the disfellowshiped? In this way: By refusing to have religious relationship with the disfellowshiped."
"...to have religious communion with the disfellowshiped person - no, there would be none of that! The faithful marriage partner would not discuss religion with the apostate or disfellowshiped and would not accompany that one to his (or her) place of religious association and participate in the meetings with that one. As Jesus said: "If he does not listen even to the congregation [which was obliged to disfellowship him], let him be to you just as a man of the nations and as a tax collector [to Jehovah's sanctified nation]." (Matt. 18:17, NW) Hurt to such one would not be authorized, but there would be no spiritual or religious fellowshiping."
"The same rule would apply to those who are in the relation of parent and child or of child and parent. What natural obligation falls upon them according to man's law and God's law the faithful parent or the faithful child will comply with. But as for rendering more than that and having religious fellowship with such one in violation of the congregation's disfellowship order-no, none of that for the faithful one! If the faithful suffers in some material or other way for the faithful adherence to theocratic law, then he must accept this as suffering for righteousness' sake."
"The purpose of observing the disfellowship order is to make the disfellowshiped one realize the error of his way and to shame him, if possible, so that he may be recovered, and also to safeguard your own salvation to life in the new world in vindication of God. (2 Thess. 3:14, 15; Titus 2:8) Because of being in close, indissoluble natural family ties and being of the same household under the one roof you may have to eat material food and live physically with that one at home, in which case 1 Corinthians 5:9-11 and 2 John 10 could not apply; but do not defeat the purpose of the congregation's disfellowship order by eating spiritual or religious food with such one or receiving such one favorably in a religious way and bidding him farewell with a wish for his prosperity in his apostate course." (The Watchtower November 15th 1952 Issue) -
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A video of an Elder saying those disfellowshipped are not shunned...
by Grace in.
...and, under oath and in court, this elder says that the witnesses do not use the word shun and would gladly help out a disfellowshipped person but are not able to discuss spiritual matters.. further, the elder repeatedly says under oath that disfellowshipping is a congregational matter, not a family matter; therefore, families would not be required to shun their disassociated or disfellowshipped loved ones.. excuse me if most of you have seen this already...i stumbled across it on my own.. grace.
i cannot get the link to copy here, but google "witnesses of jehovah video" and you will see about six down there is a link talking about an elder twisting the truth in court.
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alamb
I'm so glad you found this through the internet! That means it's out there and being seen. Thanks for putting it up.
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A video of an Elder saying those disfellowshipped are not shunned...
by Grace in.
...and, under oath and in court, this elder says that the witnesses do not use the word shun and would gladly help out a disfellowshipped person but are not able to discuss spiritual matters.. further, the elder repeatedly says under oath that disfellowshipping is a congregational matter, not a family matter; therefore, families would not be required to shun their disassociated or disfellowshipped loved ones.. excuse me if most of you have seen this already...i stumbled across it on my own.. grace.
i cannot get the link to copy here, but google "witnesses of jehovah video" and you will see about six down there is a link talking about an elder twisting the truth in court.
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Thank you, Watchtower, for making me what I am ...
by Fatfreek inskeptical!
you taught me how to trust no religion and to challenge them all about their doctrines and teachings.
i learned for 21 years how to do this and i did it well, according to your standard.
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alamb
brilliant...and so clear now. Thank you for putting words to it.
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Show us your picture
by Honesty in.
that is, if you are able to without the prospect of facing a three-man kangaroo court appointed by jerhover to keep the congregation clean from apostate influences.. i'll go first: .
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alamb
HI! I'm so glad to hear from you also. I have missed writing and seeing your beautiful face. Please pm me your e-mail again. I have the same book! An ex-JW sent it to me for Christmas but I'm reading a whole bunch of stuff and behind myself it seems. How is it?
And I'm glad we're on this side of the glass together. Can't wait to get back in touch!
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Show us your picture
by Honesty in.
that is, if you are able to without the prospect of facing a three-man kangaroo court appointed by jerhover to keep the congregation clean from apostate influences.. i'll go first: .
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alamb
The handsome man in my life and I.
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Fluff Topic for the evening: What would you have pursued if you could have?
by restrangled ini had 3 loves, art, dance and animals.
how i wish i could have followed up on one of those 3. i have picked up gardening of exotic plants, ....doesn't pay anything but brings me joy.. what was the dream you gave up beacause of being a jw?
tell us if you have picked up that dream or found another!.
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alamb
Child psychologist/sniper/artist
all "back in my sights."
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Do you dare post your most embarrassing photo? Shall I post mine?
by nicolaou inso i've changed my avatar - again!
i don't know what's wrong with me at the moment, i can't seem to settle on one picture for more than a week!
anyway, the current pic' is one of me when i was 7 or 8.. thing is, it's just a facial crop from the one photo i am perhaps more embarrassed of than any other.
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alamb
Well, I think you look like an angel...a
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What keeps you from killing yourself?
by AlmostAtheist inevery once in a while, the whole "futility of life" thing washes over me and something inside of me mentions the suicide option.
not that it's ever seriously considered, but one of the low-level accounting-types in my head quietly sends around a "worst-case scenario" memo that everyone reads, then dismisses.. after all, things always perk up.
"but," reminds the pessimistic little guy that should've been fired years ago, "they always go back down, too.
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alamb
The best revenge is to live well. I jump into every minute heart and soul open for the pain or for the unspeakable joys. I refuse to numb myself to this gift. And when it gets too tender, I remember:
Nolite the bastardes carborundorum (or something close)
******* If I die, they win. They ain't winnin' this one. **************