Posts by _Morpheus

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Status of people shunned before rule change?

by rebel8 in

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back in the early 1980s, some congregations were "disassociating" unbaptized people who committed alleged disfellowshipping offenses and weren't repentant.

it was announced from the platform in the same way, "so and so is disassociated," followed by 1 scripture about shunning and another about the specific sin that person had committed.

the ritual shunning was exactly the same as dfing.

_Morpheus

We are talking about two different things, as fine as the hairs being split organizationaly are...

rebel asked about someone who was termed "disassociated", although the situation seems to fit more in line with what blondie referanced as someone no longer viewed as an "approved associate".

Someone dissociated will be treated as DF'd. Someone who was never baptised will not be, in my experiance, treated as DF'd, nor does the org say they should, as the referance blondie shared showed. The reality though is that athough not treated as DF'd they are treated poorly, 'after all they did something that disqualified them as publisher so they cant good associated'.

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Status of people shunned before rule change?

by rebel8 in

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friends

back in the early 1980s, some congregations were "disassociating" unbaptized people who committed alleged disfellowshipping offenses and weren't repentant.

it was announced from the platform in the same way, "so and so is disassociated," followed by 1 scripture about shunning and another about the specific sin that person had committed.

the ritual shunning was exactly the same as dfing.

_Morpheus

With respect nicolaou, those who are DA'd are treated exactly as the same as those who are DF'd. I appreciate that the sitution Rebel described is one who was DA'd many years ago, before the current arrangments were in place, but in the mind of and in the eyes if the org someone known as "disassociated" is just that, disassociated, for whatever reason or whenever it happened.

pages 110-112 of the ks10 make it clear, including the announcment to be made when someone DA's, either through verbal means or actions. The announcment is "[name of person] is no longer one of jehovahs witnesses", the exact announcment made when one is DF'd.

please let me say im not trying to be insensitive to the sad family situation you described or in any contridict you, only pointing out the current organization realities.

If someone is known to be in the sitution rebel described, a dubbie would shun.

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Signing In

by ShirleyW in

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am i the only one that has to sign in every morning since this new site has been up?

yes, i always check the remember me box, but it's not working more than 24 h ours, at least for me.

_Morpheus

I dont want to speak as an absolute authority, simon is very skilled (clearly) and has built this forum from the ground up so i will defer to him in the final analysis. That said, i susspect its a setting in firefix. I tried both from my laptop and my iphone and have stayed signed in with no issues but im using chrome not firefox. Sorry i cant be more help in that speific situation shirley.

blondie, im NOT a fan of IE. Switching to chrome will not hurt you or anything ypu have saved specific to IE. You will not he uninstalling IE when you install chrome. In other words, go ahead and instal chrome and try it. If you dont like it then you just resume using IE with no negative consequences. In my professional life i have migrated many people from IE to chrome and they all like the switch. Like anything else, there are a few differances to adjust to but its very inutative and much faster than IE.

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Signing In

by ShirleyW in

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am i the only one that has to sign in every morning since this new site has been up?

yes, i always check the remember me box, but it's not working more than 24 h ours, at least for me.

_Morpheus

Sorry shirey, on my iphone i have stayed signed in since the first time.... Is your browser set to delete cookies automatically? Some people do that as a privacy protection measure but it will sign you out of websites.

Perhaps some details would help... What browser? Are you on a mobile device or laptop/tower? What operating system?

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LDC Semininar

by Sour Grapes in

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ldc semininar @ patterson nov 15-18, 2014 .

entire ldc dept included remote workers/design/legal/real estate/purchasing.

oversight.

_Morpheus

Just as footnote to this thread, i confirmed that the same meeting was held on the east coast of the USA, same bullet points, same program of building and details of new KH outlined.

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Consolidating of Circuits Coming?

by The Searcher in

i heard a local needs item last night which is not only adding different congregations to a different circuit, (to balance the numbers attending) but also moving all of the congs in that circuit from a relatively nearby rented venue to an assembly hall more than 4 times the distance away!

how loving of the glorious ones!

what a blessing they are giving to the flock!.

_Morpheus

I dont know where you are located but in my area we already have a brand spanking new assembly hall, paid for in full by loving donations that costs us 10k per one day assembly. The scam is really taking off. Now with no more two day assemblys they shoe horn more programs per year into the same building and make more money. It dosent supprise me at all that they are doing everything they can to get congregations out of rented facitilies, even if that means a four hour drive twice a year. It shows the value is not and never has been whats best for the comgregations, only whats good for the bottom line of the branch.

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Status of people shunned before rule change?

by rebel8 in

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back in the early 1980s, some congregations were "disassociating" unbaptized people who committed alleged disfellowshipping offenses and weren't repentant.

it was announced from the platform in the same way, "so and so is disassociated," followed by 1 scripture about shunning and another about the specific sin that person had committed.

the ritual shunning was exactly the same as dfing.

_Morpheus

Unfortunatly in dubbie land DA is the same net resilt as DF, in terms of how they are to be treated. In the minds of modern dubs, someone DA'd 30+ years ago is simply DF by default.

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Any news from the elder schools held this month in Canada& USA

by wannaexit in

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......inquiring minds want to know.

_Morpheus

Great recap, tim! Thank you for taking that bullet and sharing with us

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Please post new forum feedback or questions here

by Simon in

well, the switchover happened - there were a couple of things i had to fix which meant the posting was disabled for longer than i planned but it's now enabled and some people have already posted.. if you have any questions about the new format or suggestions on how to improve it, please post them here.. if you are having trouble signing in or posting then you'll need to email me instead.. many thanks to everyone for their patience during the changeover !.