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  This article indicates the org will consider policy changes

  by defender of truth in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  i think they were just telling the arc what they wanted to hear.. what do you think?.

  couple of interesting quotes:.

  "mr o'brien, co-ordinator of the church's australian branch committee, told the commission the organisation was "open to change".. in evidence, he said the committee would consider the greater involvement of women in child sex abuse cases, clearer guidance for elders hearing allegations and better communication with victims and their families about their legal options.. mr o'brien told the commission the church did not have a redress scheme for sex abuse victims but would consider establishing one.. vincent toole, head of the church's watchtower bible and tract society, told the commission he would seek independent legal advice about the church's obligations to report child sex abuse to the authorities.. justice mcclellan asked mr toole if he understood there was a general obligation for every citizen to report crimes to the authorities.. "coming to this commission has been a wake-up call for me, i can assure you," mr toole said.. www.smh.com.au/nsw/royal-commission-jehovahs-witnesses-to-review-approach-to-sex-abuse-allegations-20150805-gis2fh.html.

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  Well lets look at the statment.....:

  "In evidence, he said the committee would consider the greater involvement of women in child sex abuse cases" - this is clearly total and utter bullsh**t. Women will never be allowed in the judicial process.

  "clearer guidance for elders hearing allegations and better communication with victims and their families about their legal options" - this is doable but what does it really mean? 'Brother before you report a pedo call the branch' is what will amount to.

  that whole statment amounted to a carefully crafted 'say what you want to hear but mean what we want it to' bit of trickery.
  
  
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  Watchtower sued for Racketeering in California

  by under the radar in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  a little birdie informed me that a lawsuit against the watchtower bible & tract society, its legal department, and several individuals (perhaps lawyers in the legal department) has been filed in the superior court of the state of california, county of los angeles for, wait for it.... racketeering!.

  that's right, folks, you heard it here first.

  i have no other information, other than the case was stamped "aug 07 2015" and the docket number appears to be bc590675.

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  Yawn.... Nothing to see here. Pipe dream fairy dust and apostate wet dreams. This guy is taking his shot. Some people will get all frothy and dreamy eyed. It will end in dismisal.
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  "Brother Lett is like a big cuddly teddy bear!"

  by purrpurr in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i had this said to me the other day by a jw who is fully brain washed.

  it gave me shivers to think is that really how the r&f perceive the gb?

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  If he was a catholic bishop instead of a GB member they would call him a creep. The brain washing allows them to see what they want.
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  Adjourned...........not over.

  by umbertoecho in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  jehovahs witnesses hearing adjourned.

  6 august, 2015. .

  the hearing into the jehovahs witnesses has adjourned until further notice.case study 29 into the jehovahs witnessescommenced on monday 27 july 2015, inquiring into jehovah's witnesses and watchtower bible and tract society of australia ltd.further information regarding this public hearing will be announced in due course.. .

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  Its interesting. Im still not convinced that anything will result from this but getting jackson in to testify would be huge, just to get him on record about the matter in fromt of people who seem to have a good sense about witness speak
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  Branch Service Department Manual approves appointing Child molestors as Elders

  by stuckinamovement in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/downloadfile.ashx?guid=7ba22716-556c-43c2-9fc6-76697afad440&type=exhibit&filename=wat.0001.004.0076&fileextension=pdf

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  Crow, on that point there is a reasonable explanation. In the USA the legal age of consent is 18. It is not uncommon in mexican communities for 19 and 20 year old males to be involved with 16 or 17 year old females. Legal that is pedophila but the congregation (and much of the community) do not view as it such. I have been told that clause you mentioned is specifically aimed at the mexican population.
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  Letter from Watchtower Australia to Governing Body (Watchtower Pennsylvania) regarding disclosure of information to secular authorities.

  by C0ntr013r in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i found this interesting document among the files watchtower sent to the royal commission:.

  letter from watchtower australia to governing body (watchtower pennsylvania) regarding disclosure of information to secular authorities.. scroll 1/3 of the way down on this page to find it:.

  http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/exhibits/636f01a5-50db-4b59-a35e-a24ae07fb0ad/case-study-29,-july-2015,-sydney.

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  *deleted post. Wrong thread
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  I wonder with all this sex abuse drama if Wt would ever apologize to Bill Bowen and Barbara Anderson.

  by joe134cd in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  wt obviously must realize now the value of those that tried to enforce change on them.

  i think if it wasn't for these people doing what they did wt would be in even more drama now.

  so my question is do you ever think wt would voluntarily reinstate and publicly apologize to bill bowen and barbara anderson for all their hard work in bringing reform.

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  The following is a list of people who, in the last 120+ years of watchtowerisum, have received apologys:

  i dont see barb or bills names on that comprehensive list. It aint gonna happen
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  The Australian Royal Commission will NOT do a damn thing to the WT!

  by Calebs Airplane in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  the rothschild family will not allow the aussies to take any significant action against their religious wing (mormons, jws, adventists, etc.).

  the worst outcome for the borg will be a relatively small fine and a deadline to change their rules.

  that is all..

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  "In my email to Angus Stewart, I eluded to this fact. Unless there are laws enacted, they aren't going to change, especially having women conducting leadership roles or JCs."""

  
  

  😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 i want some of what you are on. Child abuse policy can change. Those items cannot
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  How big a deal is the royal commission..? It seems to be not much...

  by _Morpheus in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  my understanding (very limited and maybe flawed) is that this commission has no teeth.

  if thats true why would the org care?

  send a few lawyers, go through the motions but in the end.... its a dog parking on a porch.

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  I appreciate the responses and again i want to be clear, im not saying for a certainty that they are toothless, im merely asking since, as a non aussie, i have no clue.

  Let me add this: when a congressional committee makes recomendations in the USA, they are just that: recomendations. They are not binding and carry no weight. The weight comes from the fact that those who held the committee meeting are part of the body that makes laws and thus can speak up when the time comes to legislate. Thus when i hear these terms being used it conjures images of a lot of talk with potentially little action. Honestly the responses dont seem more hopeful than factual with regard to potential outcome here
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  How big a deal is the royal commission..? It seems to be not much...

  by _Morpheus in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  my understanding (very limited and maybe flawed) is that this commission has no teeth.

  if thats true why would the org care?

  send a few lawyers, go through the motions but in the end.... its a dog parking on a porch.

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  My understanding (very limited and maybe flawed) is that this commission has no teeth. If thats true why would the org care? Send a few lawyers, go through the motions but in the end.... Its a dog parking On a porch. Keep walking. Your in no danger.

  i hope anyone who reads this understands my position. Im not a wt apologist by any stretch and i would love to see them nailed but im also a realist. This royal commission seems to be the equivalent to a congressional committee in the USA. There can be some ramifications from but very rarely and nothing overly severe. They tend to be political tools and more for show. They are often used to hurt people in the public eye to whom that matters.

  Is my understanding correct? Does this thing have teeth or is it simply a lot of smoke but no fire?