Posts by _Morpheus

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Anyone recall someone disfellowshipped for gluttony???

by James Mixon in

gluttony seems to be a sin that jw's like to ignore .there are several scriptures that point out that gluttony is a sin, proverbs 23:20-21 "do not join those who gorge themselves on meat".....also i read somewhere that 1% is the number of disfellowshipped jw's each year......how do prove someone is a glutton and not just a person who love food???

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_Morpheus

I would respectfully disagree that my examples apply to a small minority. The bmi essentially describes and expects every human in terms of a marathon runner. Very very lean with minimal muscle mass.

This isnt ‘typical’ accross human devleopment nor desirable anymore more so than my other end of the spectrum example of a champion body builder.

I reject any description of humans writ large that dosent allow for individual variation. When we describe relative health a simple body fat percentage (which considers muscle weight) is far more reasonable and useful.

As for me being triggered... lol i wasnt aware that i had been and cannot find any reason to believe i was. My pointing out the unreasonableness and flaws of the ancient bmi as a measure of anything other than outdated science seems to have been an issue for some on this thread so i expanded on my perspective and reasons for believing as i do. Also my statment that a cult had no busines organizing community shunning over gluttony also seemed to bother some (you specifically) so we have come full circle on this... the gb and the organization of jw’s as a whole dosent touch the subject being overweight and, as an aside, i dont like the bmi as indication of relative health. I hope this clears up any misconceptions but i get the feeling it will only lead to more passive aggressive bickering over something we essentially agree on, minus the bmi chart. Unless there is some specific point i can contribute to this topic i will respectfully take my leave :)

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Anyone recall someone disfellowshipped for gluttony???

by James Mixon in

gluttony seems to be a sin that jw's like to ignore .there are several scriptures that point out that gluttony is a sin, proverbs 23:20-21 "do not join those who gorge themselves on meat".....also i read somewhere that 1% is the number of disfellowshipped jw's each year......how do prove someone is a glutton and not just a person who love food???

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_Morpheus

“BMI is just one consideration of many. I would have thought that obvious.”

why would you think thats obvious? I believe you have referred 3 times to bmi as the measure of obesity and never once used or referred to any other standard.

I object very much to people being measured by a fairly random chart with no comon sense or intelligence applied to the individual.

And yes measuring displacment by submerging the person in water is a very accurate method of measuring body fat... so is a DXA scan. Neither is possible in your own home. Therefore i mentioned two other easily obtained methods that are far more reliable and telling than the rediculious bmi chart... or wasnt that obvious?

And yes 2% body fat on a man or 10% and under on a woman is difficult and not particularly healthy to maintain for long periods. That has nothing to do with showing the flaw in the bmi chart. It only makes the point more clear as Arnold weighed 260 plus when not cut for competition and was certainly not obese at 10% body fat.

If i may ask, why does this topic seem to be such a trigger for you and what is your fascination with the bmi chart..?

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Anyone recall someone disfellowshipped for gluttony???

by James Mixon in

gluttony seems to be a sin that jw's like to ignore .there are several scriptures that point out that gluttony is a sin, proverbs 23:20-21 "do not join those who gorge themselves on meat".....also i read somewhere that 1% is the number of disfellowshipped jw's each year......how do prove someone is a glutton and not just a person who love food???

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_Morpheus

I dont want to devolve this conversation too far off its intended path but the bmi is a joke and a false guide. Consider, this man is morbidly obese, at least according to the bmi

The bmi is a simple minded chart that assumes everyone is built the same. Its long been discredited as anything other than a relic of a bygone era of cookie cutter doctoring.

A simple body fat measurement using a cheap electrical resistance formula is far more accurate or properly done a measurment with caliper and tape measure is awesome as well.

The man above, while obesse by the bmi, is actually less than 2% body fat and obviously very fit.

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This convention talk offended me

by Isambard Crater in

here are my notes from the r.c yesterday, the talk called "jehovah – the greatest example of endurance".

many of you will understand why i found it offensive.. jehovah has taken the hard option of choosing to endure:.

reproach to his holy name.

_Morpheus

And just to add to the above, the ridiculous logic of saying if the end had come x number of years ago you wouldnt be here... really? When does that end? Do we have to let the system go for eternity to allow everyone who will ever be born to be born, suffer and thus be resurected? Its stupid beyond words. Nobody can possibly feel sorry the supposed almighty for a choice is he is said to have made. Utter stupidity.

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Anyone recall someone disfellowshipped for gluttony???

by James Mixon in

gluttony seems to be a sin that jw's like to ignore .there are several scriptures that point out that gluttony is a sin, proverbs 23:20-21 "do not join those who gorge themselves on meat".....also i read somewhere that 1% is the number of disfellowshipped jw's each year......how do prove someone is a glutton and not just a person who love food???

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_Morpheus

Oh my jp.... ive lost perspective? You seem deeply informed with my perspective on the cult and yet i cant seem to ever recall making your acquaintance or having a discussion with you vis a vie my views on the cult. Perhaps its your perspective thats a bit warped and you reading more into a simple discussion on a comparatively small matter than is really there. Have a drink and relax ;) one shot wont make you fat

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Anyone recall someone disfellowshipped for gluttony???

by James Mixon in

gluttony seems to be a sin that jw's like to ignore .there are several scriptures that point out that gluttony is a sin, proverbs 23:20-21 "do not join those who gorge themselves on meat".....also i read somewhere that 1% is the number of disfellowshipped jw's each year......how do prove someone is a glutton and not just a person who love food???

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_Morpheus

Well, while i dont wish people to be overweight, i also dont think its a religions business to creat community shunning over it.

If they took the initive to encourage a healthy lifestyle (outside of walking in fs) i would applaud that, perhaps under the guise of treating life as sacred or viewing the body as a gift from god or whatever.

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Anyone recall someone disfellowshipped for gluttony???

by James Mixon in

gluttony seems to be a sin that jw's like to ignore .there are several scriptures that point out that gluttony is a sin, proverbs 23:20-21 "do not join those who gorge themselves on meat".....also i read somewhere that 1% is the number of disfellowshipped jw's each year......how do prove someone is a glutton and not just a person who love food???

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_Morpheus

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Anyone recall someone disfellowshipped for gluttony???

by James Mixon in

gluttony seems to be a sin that jw's like to ignore .there are several scriptures that point out that gluttony is a sin, proverbs 23:20-21 "do not join those who gorge themselves on meat".....also i read somewhere that 1% is the number of disfellowshipped jw's each year......how do prove someone is a glutton and not just a person who love food???

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_Morpheus

Heres the thing... the ks10 speaks of , not ones weight, but the attitude toward food. (As an aside, bmi is a joke). No jw wants to try and quantify ‘attiude toward food’ in a judicial sense. Jw’s only deal with actions (sex or stealing etc etc) never attitude. Its the same reason they keep track of fs time. Nobody wants to discuss a person mindset or attitude only what can be proven on a piece of paper.

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Anyone recall someone disfellowshipped for gluttony???

by James Mixon in

gluttony seems to be a sin that jw's like to ignore .there are several scriptures that point out that gluttony is a sin, proverbs 23:20-21 "do not join those who gorge themselves on meat".....also i read somewhere that 1% is the number of disfellowshipped jw's each year......how do prove someone is a glutton and not just a person who love food???

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_Morpheus

Never heard of it. The ks 10 discusses it as a df’ing offense even... but never ever heard of it happening

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boyfriends jehovah witness mom

by whatisthis12 in

my boyfriend is an ex new jehovah witness and today i got a message from one of his friends asking if i could delete a comment he wrote on one of my pictures because my boyfriends mom is harassing him about it.

he also basically told me that she has people who added me just to view my profile and let her know!!!!

she also sends him messages and pictures from the watchtower.

_Morpheus

You can do nothing. It will end when she dies.

Im really sorry. Shes in a cult and sounds like shes full blown cult loony. Its just what it is. Be prepared and plan accordingly.