My god again the memories... that was something that contributed greatly to the feeling of prison, the complete feeling of being stuck with no way out. They could throw open the door and say “go at your leisure” and there was no where to go... we used to walk to fulton mall and try to catch a movie.. we would stand and watch the bootleg movies playing across the street for free... slave labor and zero free time but hey it was the house of god :/ jesus that experience shaped my life in ways i may not even have realized.
_Morpheus
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Chapter 28 New Boy 50 years a Watchtower slave
by new boy inchapter 28. my dollar car .
your only true free time was saturday afternoons & evenings if you weren’t working a second job that is.
so on saturday many bethelites would take the train up to times square and seventh avenue and walk around looking for a good movie to go to.
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Solomon's gold mines called a myth but there's one so-called prophecy that always makes me stop and think
by Isambard Crater inthe authenticity of the old testament account of solomon is being called into question in the news media:.
http://www.christianpost.com/news/king-solomons-fabulous-hidden-gold-mines-are-a-myth-historian-says-194663/.
for the most-part, i don't really want to believe the bible as true, certainly not the j.w version including their stubbornness over 607 and 1914. but there's one prophecy that always makes me stop and wonder if maybe some of the bible was inspired by god, if he or she exists.
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With regard to that image and the wt interpretation... dont let confirmation bias sway you. The world has never been governed by one sole super power. There have always been ‘super powers’, if you will excuse the turn of phrase. But never one sole world government. That statue could apply to any time in world history if you want to take that view of it.
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Will YOU Ever Leave The Watchtower Org.?
by minimus inthere is usually a metamorphosis that takes place for a person to leave the jehovah's witness religion.
most people do not just up and go simply because they realize this could not be the truth.
it often takes time.. for those that go to meetings or engage in the ministry, will you forever continue doing these things, knowing that it is all bs?
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“Son”? 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 oh dear lord. We have officially jumped the shark. You have said nothing and made no arguments not even bothered to counter one single thing i have said. I leave you to your self righteous pontificating. Arguing with a fool and all that....
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Will YOU Ever Leave The Watchtower Org.?
by minimus inthere is usually a metamorphosis that takes place for a person to leave the jehovah's witness religion.
most people do not just up and go simply because they realize this could not be the truth.
it often takes time.. for those that go to meetings or engage in the ministry, will you forever continue doing these things, knowing that it is all bs?
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Clearly you are indeed a buffoon if you cant comprehend how that works. Is there some microchip in elders heads thats causes them to explode if they speak something contrary to wt doctrine? Again, why does it have to be some binary A or B situation? I absolutely spoke against stupid org rules all the time.
And on ray franz, funny that his crisis of conscience coincided with being thrown off the GB and eventually DF’d. For decades prior to that, when by his own admision he smelled something funny, he continued to serve in various capacities. Im not chastising him, simply pointing out that one dosent one day realize TTATT and immediately walk away. Its a process.
When is the line, on wise one? When does it become too long, in your ever so wise and estimable view, for one to serve adter realizing TTATT? A day? An hour? Should one peruse this web site for 45 min, have questions and then call the local BOE and tender their resignation?
How long did it take you?
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Will YOU Ever Leave The Watchtower Org.?
by minimus inthere is usually a metamorphosis that takes place for a person to leave the jehovah's witness religion.
most people do not just up and go simply because they realize this could not be the truth.
it often takes time.. for those that go to meetings or engage in the ministry, will you forever continue doing these things, knowing that it is all bs?
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How cute that you refer to my reasoned and articulate response as indicative of “anger issues”. Your response shows your trade mark drive by topic starting, a mere throwing of a topical hand grenade and then driving away without a thought as to what you said or why.
perhaps you could actually adress what i said instead of trying to deflect... a tall task i admit but worthy discussion does require some effort.
Your parting shot in your previous post is laughably stupid and so stupidly binary as to be unworth addressing, however i suspect im obligated to respond after my previous defense of elders who havnt stepped down quickly enough for your liking..
your statment
“If you want to remain an elder or whatever, it's your decision because you have to live with yourself when you have to tell someone they cannot have a blood transfusion knowing full well that it's all a lie. Sleep well!”
not that you actually asked but i am not an elder. I got out of that and havnt been to a cult meeting in almost two years, thank the Thunderer.
As to your foolish attempt to shame (?) or make a point... so being an elder who has figured out the truth about the truth automatically means i would have had to have supported the orga blood policy...? Are you that simple minded? I would have and did tell people to use good judgment and accept every option offered to save their live. Thankfully i never knew anyone who needed blood but i absolutely was prepared to tell them one on one to take the goddamn blood and then either deny it or ask for forgiveness.
Your ‘example’ is narrow minded and indicitive of typical witness like thinking, either A or B and no other options.
Live your live as you see fit and i promise not to say a word or care in the least. Dont tear down others struggles.
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Will YOU Ever Leave The Watchtower Org.?
by minimus inthere is usually a metamorphosis that takes place for a person to leave the jehovah's witness religion.
most people do not just up and go simply because they realize this could not be the truth.
it often takes time.. for those that go to meetings or engage in the ministry, will you forever continue doing these things, knowing that it is all bs?
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This debate has gone on and on over the years on this board and elsewhere im sure... in all those debates im constantly surprised at just how self righteous people are with others lives and choices, choices they dont have to live.
Who gives a damn what you or anyone else thinks about an elder or servant or husband or wife or whoever continues to go along with the borg? You dont have live with the consequences of their choices or the repercussions of taking a stand they may not be ready to handle. Its so easy to sit in judgment, Key board commando style, and pontificate on the forum and wring your hands in abject horror that some poor elder or ms or whoever may have woken up isnt ready to ruin his life yet.
Fuck you.
Ray franz is held up as an apostate hero... but he served on the hated ‘governing body’ and knew for years, maybe decades, that it wasnt “the truth”. He may have served the rest of his life had the other sainted ones not thrown him out.
Oh and for every self righeous blow hard who cries at the thought of a serving elder knowing the TTATT, dont ever read one of wifi bandits threads again. All that leaked info that you people lap up come from elders who are awake and still serve. For a while i was that guy. I scanned every letter and every email, recorded meetings with the co and elders schools etc etc and leaked it here in the hope that while i was stuck i could do some small good... but self important ass hats who lap up “leaks” love to live other peoples lives, blind to the benefits they reap from the people they kick. Unless you have lived that life you cannot possibly understand the termoil. I would never ever go back having finally gotten out of it but unless you’ve lived it you can go fuck yourself if you think you have the have right to criticize.
Everyone has their own path and answers only for themself. Worry about your own life a little more or hell, heres a wild idea, offer some small support to help others leave the cult, but dont tear down those on the way out doing the best they can in whatever personal struggle they have.
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Pedophile on The Governing Body
by new boy inthe bottom line there is zero tolerance for any homosexual activity in jehovah’s holy organization.
so all known gays had been kicked out and disfellowshipped before i got to bethel and gays got kicked and disfellowshipped and disgraced when i was there.
sorry, i guess i meant most homosexuals were kicked out in disgrace.
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Hecce, i was just about to say the same :) although i dont think chitty was accused of the rape of young boys, although i could be wrong
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Revision and new info for Chapter 25 New Boy 50 years a Watchtower slave
by new boy inmy upbringing in the church had taught me that they were detestable in god’s eyes.
they drove the point home with scripture after scripture.
leviticus 20:13 "if a man practices homosexuality, having sex with another man as with a woman, both men have committed a detestable act.
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Damn. I only knew he was gay and asked to leave, i had no idea of the depth of the depravity and the fact that he was allowed to continue. They all deserve hell for that.
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No Need For The Delusion Of The Supernatural To Become Human
by Brokeback Watchtower in"no need for the delusion of the supernatural because the very task of becoming truly human is a colossal achievement.
" rudiger safransky.
i think this means stop believing in fairy tales and get on with your life and be who your supposed to be and not some delusions of the herd's imaginary friend, shit on religious indoctrination and become what your dna wants you to become.
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“No need for the delusion of the supernatural because the very task of becoming truly human is a colossal achievement." Rudiger Safransky
it references being “truly human”. Its a quote designed to make us think about and appreciate the fact that being human is more than a function of birth and dna. Simply being alive and beathing as a “human” dosent make us “truly human”. He is encouraging us all to asipire to the very best qualities in humanity, to cultivate and put work into that which make us the best people and in referencing the “delusion of the supernatural” he reminds us that fictional gods or superheros or what ever imaginary standards humans may dream up can never exceed the real limitless possiblities of true human maturity.
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Governing Body Members Autographing Bibles
by HereIgo ini have an online ex jw friend who pointed out to me that she stumbled upon a may 15, 1999 watchtower that had pictures of governing body members autographing bibles for people.
i have no bound volumes or cd rom copies anymore so i can verify.
two things came to mind, if this is true:.
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Bear in mind these were not given as “gifts” among friends. These were given to curry favor for the dubbies in cuba. It was an act of ass kissing to have the cult leaders publicly sign the bibles for the castro regime. To suggest that this public signing for the benefit of the castros wasnt “autographing” is patently stupid.