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  the watchtower is starting to crumble

  by pepperheart in

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  for the december monthly broadcast instead of jws from around the world waving to you and items of how to shun people we will have to make do with repeats of of old gilead videos that have been on the jw website for a good while.

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  Ok so a 50% reduction in membership over 10 years is your basic benchmark for a collapse. Fair enough. I would strongly argue against that being a disintegration, but a collapse is fair.

  That said, did you note that the benchmark in your own definition moved, in just a few hours, from two years to ten? I still disagree that it will happen in either time frame but it highlights my basic core flaw with these predictions, no matter who may be making them: its all very mutable given which way the wind seems to be blowing in the eyes of the predictor. In some posts its months (yes slim you said months ... well... months ago) some posts its years some posts its decades.

  Just admit it to yourself, if no else, slim... these predictions (earlier today 2 years now 10) arnt really based on what you percieve as facts. They are your hopes and dreams. Deep down you know the real truth about the truth... the org isnt going away in your or my lifetimes.
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  the watchtower is starting to crumble

  by pepperheart in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  for the december monthly broadcast instead of jws from around the world waving to you and items of how to shun people we will have to make do with repeats of of old gilead videos that have been on the jw website for a good while.

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  Slim, i would hope we both agree that it was you who used the words “collapse” and “disintegrate”. I can only go off your word choice in determining your meaning. If your suggesting that you were using a bit of hyperbole i can certainly accept and understand that as i too use exageration to make points at times..

  that said, you did indeed use the words aforementioned as well as give the time frame of a year or two. So lets clarify... does that mean you would categorize a loss of 1% in two years as disintegration? A loss of 5%? The question isnt what i would define as collapse or disintegration, they arnt my words nor my belief. What would YOU define as such...?

  I remain steadfastly on the record: the jw’s are not collapsing disintegrating or anything of the sort. They will plod along for a long long time, marginal baptisms, no real growth, just sort of maintaining what we see now, membership wise.

  So on the record: what is your expectation, your belief that will meet your choice of wording
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  the watchtower is starting to crumble

  by pepperheart in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  for the december monthly broadcast instead of jws from around the world waving to you and items of how to shun people we will have to make do with repeats of of old gilead videos that have been on the jw website for a good while.

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  _Morpheus

  Lol @nowwhat... Shirley you see me arguing (over 1k slim threads) that org is ok.. (and dont call me Shirley)
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  the watchtower is starting to crumble

  by pepperheart in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  for the december monthly broadcast instead of jws from around the world waving to you and items of how to shun people we will have to make do with repeats of of old gilead videos that have been on the jw website for a good while.

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  _Morpheus

  Forgot to add @jp- thats very interesting! I never saw that journal, i wounder how much of that was an accident and how much was one plagiarizing the other
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  the watchtower is starting to crumble

  by pepperheart in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  for the december monthly broadcast instead of jws from around the world waving to you and items of how to shun people we will have to make do with repeats of of old gilead videos that have been on the jw website for a good while.

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  _Morpheus

  Slim, lets review: its a cult. Wait! That was just a reflex....

  lets review: the cgi is still around. It actually did not “disintegrate”. It still exists. You went to a meeting. There are still members of the cgi who meet, worship and acknowledge membership in said church. Therefore it did not “disintegrate”. Im trying to think of more ways to say it but honestly its so silly and obvious i just cant reformulate it any other way. Its still around. Like the jw’s will be... how does that in anyway make your point that jw’s will be gone shortly?

  also also, you completly missed the lesson of the cgi with regard to the jw’s. When wcg founder Herbert armstrong died they did indeed lose members and suffer what amounted to collapse before they retooled into cgi. The jws had that exact same moment 101 years ago when ct russell died and the ibsa eventually splintered into jw’s/ibsa.

  Your comparision is a century out of date.

  Also also also stan (little mac), you’ll go bald worrying over my spelling... oops too late! Sorry stan. Please continue enjoying national socialists grammer duty :)
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  the watchtower is starting to crumble

  by pepperheart in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  for the december monthly broadcast instead of jws from around the world waving to you and items of how to shun people we will have to make do with repeats of of old gilead videos that have been on the jw website for a good while.

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  Im curiouse why you

  1) see similarities between our former org and the gci

  and 2) were you aware that gci is still around, as in not collapsed and gone away, as you say the jw org will be in 2 years?
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  Is Trump the President of Jerusalem too?

  by tor1500 in

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  your thoughts...how is it that trump can dictate what goes on in other countries?

  can anyone from another country come here and tell us what to do...trump is now the president of the world now, uh?.

  i'm not really savvy regarding politics but i'm no dummy either...what the heck is going on in the world.... again, any thoughts ?

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  “Capitol. @never a jw you should really think about talking to someone about your self harm over spelling errors:).”

  this.

  Also, from someone who lives in the nations capitol, common usage here is either/or. Im not saying its “correct” but its reality, even in newspapers, to conflate the two.
  
  
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  the watchtower is starting to crumble

  by pepperheart in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  for the december monthly broadcast instead of jws from around the world waving to you and items of how to shun people we will have to make do with repeats of of old gilead videos that have been on the jw website for a good while.

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  Lol yes slim, i love reading your “slimboy joins...” series, especially because of your lense as a (maybe sometimes former) jw and comparing the worship and membership from a place i can relate too.

  That said, dosent the long lasting (comparatively) power of lessor churches like the Unitarians show you that the org can hang around for a long long time? The org wields absolute power over millions as opposed to so many of the churches you visited who wield zero power but still limp along.

  A few years from now we will all still be on this forum, talking about the latest wt insanity and wondering how people can still buy it. You will still vasilate and try to downplay this discussion but the org isnt going anywhere.
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  the watchtower is starting to crumble

  by pepperheart in

  1. watchtower
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  for the december monthly broadcast instead of jws from around the world waving to you and items of how to shun people we will have to make do with repeats of of old gilead videos that have been on the jw website for a good while.

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  _Morpheus

  Oh boy so now we are down to a few years... it was 10 or 20 years just a few months ago, slim.

  https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5697300724711424/question-sbf

  slim, im not trying to pick on you or be hard on you, but its easy to get caught up in one piece of news or one event and lose the big picture. You go back and forth between the org being gone today or the org hanging around for decades and slowly declining. Its fine, of course, to modify your views or change your mind, but when you blow with the wind its hard to take it seriously.

  Reports of the orgs demise are greatly exaggerated, to borrow a turn of phrase. The org is changing, not dying. The presentation this month is NEW, although its telling that they didnt put a jw org program together. In the old days they never dropped one program for another. I think this is a case of realizing most jw’s wouldnt invest the time to watch both.
  
  
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  The end of an era ......

  by snare&racket in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i have written some time ago, about how the religion i grew up in no longer exists.

  i was an 80’s jw kid who became a pioneer then a bethelite.

  they have new meetings, new elder roles, new acronyms, new core teachings, new songs and even a new bible.

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  _Morpheus

  “But this scene... was not supposed to happen in the religion I grew up in”

  that, x2