seems like such an obviously correct decision to overturn the previous overreach - it should never have been necessary to go to the supreme court but happened because the rights of the religious were being ignored.. as the fundamental level, no one should be able to compel you to work for them or to provide services that go against your beliefs, and certainly not have the government be able to force you to comply.. if this was allowed there would be so many unreconcilable situations that would clog up courts over nonsense.. i also have little patience for these activists that intentionally look to be offended.
it really doesn't do their cause any good to go round looking to make trouble for people.
it's also misguided because it ends up strengthening religious rights over effectively stupid issues.. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/04/us/politics/supreme-court-sides-with-baker-who-turned-away-gay-couple.html.
Sigh.... this is being misrepresent in some of the finer details.
The baker refused to make a custom cake. The customers could have bought any premade cake or even a custom cake that didnt require the owner to apply his artistic talent to something he morally objected to. It is in no way annalogous to police or ems responding. It is analogous to requiring a Muslim baker to bake a with crosses or ‘f**k mohamed’.
leaked: whq accounts: 2016-2020 budget [part 1 of 5] https://youtu.be/g08tw2v3b4s.
leaked: whq accounts: 2016-2020 budget [part 2 of 5] https://youtu.be/rpceb5v0vbe.
leaked: whq accounts: 2016-2020 budget [part 3 of 5] https://youtu.be/2xa08ukc_6i.
I am now searching to find evidence of bank forclose of WTS.
😂😂😂 you do that. Please report back when you dont find anything.
leaked: whq accounts: 2016-2020 budget [part 1 of 5] https://youtu.be/g08tw2v3b4s.
leaked: whq accounts: 2016-2020 budget [part 2 of 5] https://youtu.be/rpceb5v0vbe.
leaked: whq accounts: 2016-2020 budget [part 3 of 5] https://youtu.be/2xa08ukc_6i.
How can i say, in clear enough terms, that i am totally in agreement with cofty’s analysis/summation? Ive said exactly the same many many times.
Thats not collapse.
okay, they cheapened the product by getting rid of hardcover books.
they reduced printing of mags.
they drastically reduced the number of pieces of printed paper that members would "place" in people's hands in various ways, the biggest one being that they put them on a cart and don't encourage people to take them.they cut d.o.
It was more than a bethel heavy. It was dan sydlik
i think gb loesch has made some pretty bold statements that could be put in quotes with his picture attached could be a real killer!.
believe and obey only the faithful slave, don't believe any negative comment about us in the press believe only us.. google: child molestation watchtower bible and tract society, klick on wikki.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/jehovah%27s_witnesses%27_handling_of_child_sex_abuse.
@bliz- id contribute for a billboard with that one
leaked: whq accounts: 2016-2020 budget [part 1 of 5] https://youtu.be/g08tw2v3b4s.
leaked: whq accounts: 2016-2020 budget [part 2 of 5] https://youtu.be/rpceb5v0vbe.
leaked: whq accounts: 2016-2020 budget [part 3 of 5] https://youtu.be/2xa08ukc_6i.
.....you are not a nice person. You place your opinion above everyone else, and you spend more time bashing others here than you spend doing anything to help the cause.
hold on one second, checking my vast posting history..... nope. Dont see it. No mentions anywhere of me claiming to be a “nice person”. If you met me in person i have my moments, but i never claim to be “nice” generally speaking.
As for helping the cause... oh far more than you appear to give me credit for. In the context of our discussion here, my pointing out the often foolish and exaggerated claims of the rapid and foaming at the mouth posters who misrepsent facts in an attempt to make the org the boogie man for everything is a huge service. Its too easy for questioning jw’s to get scared away by nonsensical and stupid claims, things like the gb are planning on the assignations of partakers (yes that was said recently).
Calling out that sort of crap is a huge service, whether you appreciate or not. There is so much wrong with the cult that we simply need not make anything up, and especially not outlandish bullshit. If pointing out that the gb coordinating assignations is idiotic qualifies as “bashing” then im guilty as charged. Its idiotic.
Your argument about Ray being the big teller and the rest is shite is BS.
uhmmm... again let me reread..... nope dont see that. I said leaks are nothing new. I never said the rest was worthless. Far from it. Every letter to the BOE, the ks txt book, etc etc has great value and if not for those leaks we wouldnt have anything since ray.
You seemed to think leaks were new, as if a two year old internal pep rally video was monumental and unprecedented in its release. It has value. That a leak was sprung isnt new or noteworthy, per say. See my remarks regarding ray franz 35 years ago. Read what i actually said, not what you wanted me to have said.
I am sure I appreciate Ray as much as the next fella here, and I’ll bet more than you, having a shoe box full of paper correspondence with him over the years and other such.
i bet you do. Never knew him, never meet him, never corresponded with him. Hes not a big hero of mine.
Why don’t you find something to add of value...
helping you see some degree of rationality is valuable, even if you dont think so.
leaked: whq accounts: 2016-2020 budget [part 1 of 5] https://youtu.be/g08tw2v3b4s.
leaked: whq accounts: 2016-2020 budget [part 2 of 5] https://youtu.be/rpceb5v0vbe.
leaked: whq accounts: 2016-2020 budget [part 3 of 5] https://youtu.be/2xa08ukc_6i.
Nothing new if we compare it to last year or the previous recent years, but it certainly is the opposite trend of decades ago (say the 90,s or even early 2,000's).
No argument from me on that. Ive said over and over the hay day is done and they HAVE to cut back. Also, just for perspective, 1990 was almost 30 years ago. 2000 was 18 years ago. Its not recent anymore, even if they want to behave as if it is from a finical pov..
Nothing new? Sorry, the big news is that this info is coming out. I don’t care if it’s 2 years old, just the fact that we are seeing it is momentous.
No, im the one whos sorry. Sorry to have to remind you that the first big leak came in 1983 when a fomer member of the governing body wrote a tell all book. That was 35 years ago. Clearly leaks are nothing new, even if the format (videos instead of books) is different.
Look, be excited if this makes you excited. Run around naked in the street, buy drinks at the local bar for everyone, set off fireworks from the roof of your house while toasting hotdogs over a bonfire made with money from the sale of your kidneys.. whatever makes you happy... but none of this new. Check slims posting history and you will see years of threads with this EXACT same information.
Its noteworthy that we have it. Its worth dissecting and seeing what can be gotten from it. Its interesting and noteworthy from the perspective of seeing their internal sales pitch. None if its new.
God dammit , _Morpheus......STOP trying to be a voice of reason and moderation!
Lol sorry sparky, its the cross i must bear.
leaked: whq accounts: 2016-2020 budget [part 1 of 5] https://youtu.be/g08tw2v3b4s.
leaked: whq accounts: 2016-2020 budget [part 2 of 5] https://youtu.be/rpceb5v0vbe.
leaked: whq accounts: 2016-2020 budget [part 3 of 5] https://youtu.be/2xa08ukc_6i.
Some of you are overthinking this. This is an internal presentation, nothing more.They have done these for decades. When i was brooklyn in the 90’s they did these things. This isnt some grand scheme to make this and then leak it and hope publishers see it and react.
They are a very poorly managed company. They are scrambling to put a happy face on cut backs. Nothing rnew here. Also, the date on this is 2016. This is two years old as it is.
we got solar panels after the promise it will slash our bills 70% turns out that was true 6 years ago when my uncle got it the government was paying people for solar power.
well i just got a letter telling me they slashed the rebate again to 9 cents which means my $5000 investment in solar will take 6 years just to get my money back!
what a scam my uncles older contract means he pays no power bills for the last 10 years while the new deal screws us totally!
Its ALWAYS about money.
The fact is, solar dosent work in a triditional sense without the traditional power grid as defacto battery.
Your panels dont produce power 24/7. At night or on low sun days you need the traditional grid to keep power flowing as normal, and yet on good days you produce excess power and back feed that into the tradtional grid (at least in the usa). You get credit for that excess juice but the costs for maintaining the traditional power grid don't disappear for utility companies. Thats why rebates and credits for solar power are dropping. Its a natural leveling.
in the end you will still recop costs and eventual more than break even but the governments incentive to finance it up front is gone
leaked: whq accounts: 2016-2020 budget [part 1 of 5] https://youtu.be/g08tw2v3b4s.
leaked: whq accounts: 2016-2020 budget [part 2 of 5] https://youtu.be/rpceb5v0vbe.
leaked: whq accounts: 2016-2020 budget [part 3 of 5] https://youtu.be/2xa08ukc_6i.
Lol slim, nobody has denied they MUST cut back. nobody has denied they were terrible at managing growth.
Its not collapse. They have lots of money coming in. They are still gowing (slowly) in membership. Thats not collapse
