On the retention ropic, its a fair question to ask, insidekh, but the answer is clear:
baptisum isnt the same as retention ;)
just as a small sample, 3 children in my family. All three were dunked. Only i am still considered active.
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LDC Semininar
by Sour Grapes inldc semininar @ patterson nov 15-18, 2014 .
entire ldc dept included remote workers/design/legal/real estate/purchasing.
oversight.
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@oub- i cannot say where he got his info but i can say for a certainty it is exactly what was said to the east coast ldc. As DB suggested its likely notes from the meeting. This information isnt something the wt would print. No need tok, its just to hype up the construction forced that are being shuffled around, many of whom seem to be disgruntled at the loss of local power -
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thoughts on this week's meeting
by prologos infirst thing i noticed, a would-be elder with a suitcase-sized 'service' bag.
pretender.
but i thought:.
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No there was a letter to the BOE a few years ago advising the same provisions be made. In the washington DC area they rarely are. You get a few bucks on ocassion but not often enough....
as for it constituting a paid clergy...no, not in my view. 10 bucks and cheap lunch (which never happens) is in no way fair or just compensation for a part time job. Glad i quit ;)
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moses is funny
by user100 inso this week's book study talks about how god spoke to the israelites directly and they were all afraid for their lives and then begged god to just speak directly to moses only.
from then on, god only spoke to moses.
how nice for moses.
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Lol there is a discussion on this very thing started by island man a little bit ago:
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Wisdom in "the Word of God". Really? What Watchtower got wrong at this week's Congregation "Bible" Study.
by Island Man inthe congregation "bible" study (cbs) for the week of december 29, 2014 to january 4, 2015 was taken from draw close to jehovah, pages 179-182, paragraphs 1-8.. paragraph 3 seems to be using the ancient jew's fear of jehovah's thunderous voice to justify the wisdom of him using moses to record and transmit his laws to the people.
but there is an implied false dichotomy here.
since god is supposedly almighty he is most certainly capable of giving a personal revelation of his requirements to every human in a clear, concise and unambiguous manner that they can fully understand and remember - without having to use his thunderous voice.
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I enjoyed reading everyones thoughts and comments on this. On ocassion i sit through the CBS just to make it look like i care and i had some very similar observations as island man. The whole study was head scratchingly obtuse, trying to convice us that 1) somehow the written word is infallible and 2) god almighty has no better means of commuincation than pen and paper.
If his written word is so infallible able then how did his very name get erased without his permision (according to dubbie tradition)? Hardly a case for accuracy when the author cant keep his oh so important name on his work.
as for point 2, island mans concept of personal revelation is far superior to any book and especially one that hasnt been updated verified or even commented on by its author for 2,000 years. Two. Thousand. Years.
As a side note to the lesson, they cited this scripture in exodus as part of the virtue of the written word as opossed to god talking directly (and unerringly)
Ex 20:18-20 "Now all the people were witnessing the thunder and lightning, the sound of the horn, and the mountain smoking; and seeing this made them tremble and stand at a distance. 19 So they said to Moses: “You speak with us, and we will listen, but do not let God speak with us, for fear that we will die.” 20 So Moses said to the people: “Do not be afraid, for the true God has come to put you to the test, in order that the fear of him may continue with you so that you may not sin.”
woe woe woe.... Wth??? I thought god didnt test anyone? And are you seriously telling me god cant use his inside voice to speak to us, he HAS to yell and thunder? He couldnt calmly chat with isreal and let them know what was up? The whole 'lesson' was a house of cards that falls apart with a modicum of thought.
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VOW OF OBEDIENCE AND POVERTY
by Coded Logic ini didn't know the wtbts had an order.
anyone ever heard of the "order of full time servants" aka "the order" within the jehovah's witnesses?.
(below is a legal document from the wtbts).
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Yep, thats the vow i sogned when i went to bethel, as others have already commented. I always took it as a matter of not being able to sue them for slavery. They alsi made us sign a document conferring our bodies to them in the event we died while at bethel. They said it was to make it easier to ship our remains home and circumvent new york city laws but.... Well lets just say im glad it never came up. -
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urban legends
by chirac indear brothers ans sisters.
i just received this mail in french..(thank you google to have translates it)..this mail is from a still inside brother who encourage to come back.
do you think its a fact or an other urban legend.
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A possible way for the Watch Tower to generate revenue via their website.
by adjusted knowledge inearlier in the week someone posted the potential value of the jw website based on visits and if they used advertisements.
many stated they would never do that but i propose they could.. besides their real estate profit making business model, they have the conventions as cash generating machines.
they give directions to their members to which hotels/motels to use.
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Strickly soeaking a roku isnt needed. You can stream from a variety of devices, just as you can from a site like netflix. The roku is a bridge between the internet and your tv and makes it easier for those not tech savy. But it is frankly stunning that they are using a brand name like that and i know at least 6 in my congregation who purchased a roku for that specific reason
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Please post new forum feedback or questions here
by Simon inwell, the switchover happened - there were a couple of things i had to fix which meant the posting was disabled for longer than i planned but it's now enabled and some people have already posted.. if you have any questions about the new format or suggestions on how to improve it, please post them here.. if you are having trouble signing in or posting then you'll need to email me instead.. many thanks to everyone for their patience during the changeover !.
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A possible way for the Watch Tower to generate revenue via their website.
by adjusted knowledge inearlier in the week someone posted the potential value of the jw website based on visits and if they used advertisements.
many stated they would never do that but i propose they could.. besides their real estate profit making business model, they have the conventions as cash generating machines.
they give directions to their members to which hotels/motels to use.
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Im one of those that would have said "never" in the past but ive seen too much change to not accept the possiblity. In addition to your suggestions i could also see a suggested donation for jw TV. For those that are fincially strapped the congregation elders could write them a letter or some similar arrangment, perhaps even putting the onus on the congregation directly to pony up the mony for those who cant afford it themselves.