Posts by _Morpheus

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Why do religious people make claims and then refuse to back them up?

by Viviane in

several times over the past few months i have had conversations, both here and in real life, with religious people making all sorts of interesting and conflicting claims.

i like to know how things work, so generally i will ask questions to net out what i am being told and see if it can be explained and make sense.. for instance, if someone said 2+2=4 and i asked how, there are a variety of ways that could be shown to me, a number line, physical objects being put together, counting on fingers and toes, etc.

indeed, in my personal life, i often have to explain how certain technologies work, sometimes planned, sometimes off the cuff, from a variety of group sizes to a varying degree of technical expertise.

_Morpheus

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Richard Dawkins Promotes ABC's Expose of Child Abuse in the Watchtower

by cofty in

the story is painfully familiar.

children are sexually abused in a closed-off cult that is averse to secular justice.

the victims either dont dare accuse their influential tormentors, or, if they do, no one believes them.

_Morpheus

Nice promo :)

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For all still in.... fakers. Help.

by Sofia Lose in

am i alone in this feeling?

i wish i could muster the cojones needed to tell my husband "i want a divorce, move away, not be a jw anymore!".

i find myself screaming these same words over and loud inside my mind, several times a day, and yet on the outside my actions could not be more opposed to these inner feelings.. sometimes i worry that this internal conflict will cause me to go crazy.

_Morpheus

I didnt "suggest" anything, i plainly stated that you clearly dont know your god or his representatives. Aside from the huge copy/paste job you did, do you have any personaly explanation for mathew 10:34 where jesus plainly said he did in fact come to divide, contrary to your opening post...?

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The desert god is a real A hole in this weeks bible reading

by _Morpheus in

so this week dubbies read that the mean bad philistines were punished by the desert god for having his ark.

the desert god punished them with (drum roll please)....... hemroids and rats.

yep.

_Morpheus

The grey bible calls them "pyles" but when you look up the word its hemroids.

lol on GoT referance.... Frankly the bible IS game, it just needs a few deagons and such

@viv, i have to read that lawsuit link. Im laughing just thinking abput it

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The desert god is a real A hole in this weeks bible reading

by _Morpheus in

so this week dubbies read that the mean bad philistines were punished by the desert god for having his ark.

the desert god punished them with (drum roll please)....... hemroids and rats.

yep.

_Morpheus

Bohm, thats complete horse manure. If thats the case then why didnt he kill the bad guys??? All they got was hemroids and rats. Clearly it dosent pay to be on the desert gods team.

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The desert god is a real A hole in this weeks bible reading

by _Morpheus in

so this week dubbies read that the mean bad philistines were punished by the desert god for having his ark.

the desert god punished them with (drum roll please)....... hemroids and rats.

yep.

_Morpheus

So this week dubbies read that the mean bad philistines were punished by the desert god for having his ark. The desert god punished them with (drum roll please)....... Hemroids and rats. Yep. The all powerful god of heaven and earth punished his peoples oppressors and the people who stole his precious ark with hemroids and rats. Hmmmmmm...

Ok the desert god dosent seem overly powerful there nor does he seem particularly creative. A lack of fiber can cause hemroids, no need for an all powerful diety to smite you on that and rats have been a plauge on civilization long before the philistines stole the golden fleece, er, ark.

But lets put that aside for a moment..... What happens next is where it really shows what an A hole he is.....

After giving the villians hemroids and rats as punishment, they get the hint and decide to send the golden fleece, er ark, back to our heros. They put it on a cart pulled by cows and send it on the road back to an isrealite villiage. The cart pulls up and the faithful isrealites see it and are overjoyed! As perscribed by the desert god they get some levites (from where we arnt told) who pick up the ark and they have a huge sacrifice to show how happy they are that they got the ark back.

What does the desert god do in return......? He kills 50,070 of them for the "sin" of having LOOKED AT THE ARK!!!! What the hell???? You mean to tell me that the desert god MAKES the bad guys send the ark back and then kills HIS OWN PEOPLE, the "good" guys, because they saw the ark as it came back????? And the only punishment the bad guys got for the EXACT same "crime" (looking at the ark) were hemroids and rats?

im sure ive read this before but it really struck me last night what a complete asshole the desert god is.

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For all still in.... fakers. Help.

by Sofia Lose in

am i alone in this feeling?

i wish i could muster the cojones needed to tell my husband "i want a divorce, move away, not be a jw anymore!".

i find myself screaming these same words over and loud inside my mind, several times a day, and yet on the outside my actions could not be more opposed to these inner feelings.. sometimes i worry that this internal conflict will cause me to go crazy.

_Morpheus

Hmmm it seems your user name got cut off. Clearly it should read "whenindoubtbeasanctamoniousasshole"

She didnt ask for absolution from anyone, let alone the people you try to derogatorily describe as "apostates athiests and evolutionists".

She was attempting to have a reasonable discussion.

You also very clearly do not your god or his representatives. At mathew 10:34 jesus plainly stated he came to divide and put a sword.

Further, in your arrogance and rush to be smug, its obvious you didnt actually read anyones response before catagorizing them as "apostate athiest evolutioniest ". As unappealing as your arrogance and lack of compassion and humanity are, we agree: communication with her husband is the only real solution.

Now im left wondering... Does that make you an apostate athiest evolutioniest...?

@sofia- im not a physiologist, nor do i play one on TV, so i wont pretend to diagnose your feelings or even claim i understand them 100%, my point is: dont lose hope :)

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Send In The Clowns

by OneFingerSalute in

as i sat through another mind numbing sermon this morning i could not help thinking that the speaker was a total clown.. lime green suit, white shirt, yellow tie, blue socks barely higher than his ankle, brown shoes, and an orange cast.

all that was missing was a big red rubber nose!

and of course everyone remarked what a wonderful talk he gave.

_Morpheus

Lol its a good one, but there somethimg priceless about that first clown one.. He has such goodfy expressions in general but that one just killed me

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For all still in.... fakers. Help.

by Sofia Lose in

am i alone in this feeling?

i wish i could muster the cojones needed to tell my husband "i want a divorce, move away, not be a jw anymore!".

i find myself screaming these same words over and loud inside my mind, several times a day, and yet on the outside my actions could not be more opposed to these inner feelings.. sometimes i worry that this internal conflict will cause me to go crazy.

_Morpheus

Please dont be offended sophia and fae, but in point of fact sophia confirmed they are indeed two seperate issues, as did you fae.

FEARING losing your husband (or wife) is vastly different than yelling "i want a divorce!", which is what sophia said in her original post. Im not trying to parse words or be a stickler but it makes a huge differance. If i may be so bold, what it seems you are saying is that, although you love your husband and want to stay married the stress of him being an uber dubbie makes you want run from it all sometimes..... Which brings us back to my original post:

Wanting a divorce and wanting out of the cult are two seperate issues :)

i would recomend the only course that leads to sanity..... Slowly introducing the idea that you may not agree with everyword printed in a wt mag. Ask him questions to make him think. Frame those questions in a way where you are getting him to explain something to you that you do not understand.... Example: "honey, how did we get to overlapping generations...? I cant understand how that fits with jesus words in mathew or how that matchs what happened in the first centery".

Things of that nature, but of course suited to you. Taking baby steps will helps you retain sanity. It will give you a goal and something to work towards. you never know who will awaken. Many of us on this board were once strongly believing elders like your husband. A little nudge from you may help, it may not, but until you try you cant know for sure.

Because clearly you dont want to divorce him, just the cult ;)

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For all still in.... fakers. Help.

by Sofia Lose in

am i alone in this feeling?

i wish i could muster the cojones needed to tell my husband "i want a divorce, move away, not be a jw anymore!".

i find myself screaming these same words over and loud inside my mind, several times a day, and yet on the outside my actions could not be more opposed to these inner feelings.. sometimes i worry that this internal conflict will cause me to go crazy.

_Morpheus

I can confirm you are not alone. It was at its worst for me when i was an elder and faking it. Once i got out of that it felt much better, like i took a step in the right direction.

I would also point out that wanting a divorce and wanting out of the cult are two seperate issues. perhaps your major concerns arnt exactly what you think they are.....