Posts by _Morpheus

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Over-protective parent?

by GrownMidget in

i was something like 20-21 and there was this young sister, maybe 16 who i happened to like back in the day ... uh oh ...we met in the summer convention because i made the first move while she was playing board games with her friend.

we kept in touch via skype and text messages because lived kinda far from each other.

eventually her mother heard of the stuff and said to her daughter that the chatting must stop.... well, when two people have a little crush on one another, it sure doesn't.

_Morpheus

Lol there seems to be some misconception, a perception that i dont want my daughter to grow up or put my fingers in my ears and refuse to hear that one day she will be a woman...

Nothing could be further from the truth. I want grandchildren one day... She loves kids and im quiet sure i will be a grandfather, several times over. I am teaching through example and word what a good man and father is... I want very much for her to have a fulfilling sex life, (positively wild if that makes her happy) , to be happy and content in the arms of a man she loves.

None of that changes her current age and the age of the person in the scenario poised here. Unacceptable on every level. I have posted before, just recently in fact, that i have no problem with relationships where there is a large age differance.... Provided everyone is old enough to make a reasonable decision. 13,14,15 year olds can't even drive. 16,17,18,19 and 20 year olds arnt old enough to drink legally. These arnt be all end all ages in my eyes and theres plenty of room for variation but as general a principle teenagers arnt old enough to make rational decisions and the law recognizes this.... put simply, in my view 25-35 is not a concern for me with my daughter, 15-25 is a signifigant problem. Signifigant.

As for the pedo remark.... I framed it the way i did and i stand by it. I will reiterate: at best the OP is undeveloped 21 goofball who tragically has something in common with a 15 or "maybe 16" year old girl ( something unthinkable for me at his age and most other normal 21 year old men)... At worst hes a pedophile. Im not makimg the final call on where on the spectrum he lands but threads framing the mother as "overprotective" don't give me the warm and fuzzies for him.

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Freedom in admitting the truth...

by _Morpheus in

for those that lurk or havnt decided to post yet.... living a lie is difficult.

nobody would likely disagree with that... many of us lived or are living the wt lie for the sake of friends or family.

it can eat at us and put us in situations where we frame half truths, try to find tactful way to avoid telling people what we really think.. there is great freedom in being able to admit truths.

_Morpheus

For those that lurk or havnt decided to post yet.... Living a lie is difficult. Nobody would likely disagree with that... Many of us lived or are living the WT lie for the sake of friends or family. It can eat at us and put us in situations where we frame half truths, try to find tactful way to avoid telling people what we really think.

There is great freedom in being able to admit truths. Coming to this place and being able to admit truths, for many of us, is the first step in freedom. Its the first time we feel free to admit to ourselves fhat perhaps the org isnt right about EVERYTHING....

Then we begin to admit that maybe they arnt right about many things.....

In these virtual walls we begin to admit truths that lead us to greater and greater freedom. Not a freedom that can be taken with bars or walls but the ultimate freedom. Freedom of thought and mind. Freedom of belief. The freedom to be who choose we to be.

In the end im reminded of a quote from the count of monte cristo:

"I dont think man was meant to attain happiness so easily. Happiness is like those places in fairy tales whos gates are guarded by dragons: we must fight in order to conquer it."

Wherever you are in that fight, however dark it may seem, slay the dragon. Keep admitting truths to yourself, however shocking those truths may be to you. Truth is freedom.

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Over-protective parent?

by GrownMidget in

i was something like 20-21 and there was this young sister, maybe 16 who i happened to like back in the day ... uh oh ...we met in the summer convention because i made the first move while she was playing board games with her friend.

we kept in touch via skype and text messages because lived kinda far from each other.

eventually her mother heard of the stuff and said to her daughter that the chatting must stop.... well, when two people have a little crush on one another, it sure doesn't.

_Morpheus

I missed this particular thread when it first appeared, maybe because when i read the words "overprotective parent" alarm bells go off in my head. "Overprotective" is a backhanded slap, a way to insult with kindness a concerned parent and my gut said the thread wouldnt be a happy fun time thread...

Then i decide to read the thread anyway.

yep. Backhanded slap, thread not ending well.

I have a daughter in the age range your speaking of... She is, unfortunately, rather well devloped physically for her age. Someone like you would undoubtly mistake her for even a little older.

There is no way under the heavens i would allow you to speak to her at 20 or 21. You would have gotten one warning. Its completely and totally unthinkable that ANY parent would allow this! Its not overprotective. Its appropriately protective of someone who, at best, is an emotionally stunted goofball who has no business near my daughter.

The final insult.... You bought her a gift. You stalked her and found out what size she wore and bought her something to wear. The authorties would have to lock me up and put me under the jail to keep me from you....

Nic, cognac, doc and viv all make really good arguments. I dont expect you to understand what lines you crossed or why so many of us feel so strongly about this. Its appalling that you were able to make a thread about this and actually expect support, that you actually think the parent was "overprotective".....
and not justified in protecting her daughter from a pedophile.

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Happy Veterans Day! (America)

by freemindfade in

people have varied and strong feelings about politics and wars, but you can't deny the courage a sacrifice of our veterans.

too often they do not get the honor they deserve.

in this country once they come home their sacrifice and heroism is too quickly forgotten.

_Morpheus

I agree that not every war is justified or moral but some are damn sure necessary. I leave it to each one to decide in his own heart whats needed and just.

I salute my grandather and great uncles who served as well as SSC and any other vets on the board. Although i am not overly patriotic I take pride in being able to stand at ball games now for the anthem and i applaud when service men and women are introduced. Its is earned.

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Raining before the Flood?

by GrownMidget in

i remember at my teen years when i was studying with a brother that he said to me that there was no rain before the flood.

instead there was this mist that you have.

never before or after this have i heard something like this.

_Morpheus

official teaching. The bible says something about a dew comming down daily and the fundamentalists religions , witnesses included, take that to mean it never rained before the flood.

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2015-11/3/BOE! New Literature Delivery Schedule!

by Atlantis in

.. re: new schedule for delivery of magazines and literature .

.click the green download button.. http://wwwb.fileflyer.com/view/tz1mdat.

.. .. wtunderground!.

_Morpheus

And the hits keep coming.... Cognac and others have said: they are in trouble and need to do more... Im starting to believe

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Is it true? Heard a rumor WT postphones Disfellowshipping until further notice!!??

by Olivia Wilde in

i am not sure if it's true but i heard from a good source that wt has given instructions to elders to postponed disfellowshipping members from wrong doing/gross sin until further instructions given by headquarters.

i heard some jws were just reproved either privately or publically.

has anyone else heard anything like this recently?

_Morpheus

Im at the meeting now and can state this isnt true. Return to your regular sceduled shunning.

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Greetings

by Pioneerbot in

wanted to say hi.

i've been lurking for a long time.

i also spend time on other forums.

_Morpheus

Welcome to the board, officially :)

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Is it true? Heard a rumor WT postphones Disfellowshipping until further notice!!??

by Olivia Wilde in

i am not sure if it's true but i heard from a good source that wt has given instructions to elders to postponed disfellowshipping members from wrong doing/gross sin until further instructions given by headquarters.

i heard some jws were just reproved either privately or publically.

has anyone else heard anything like this recently?

_Morpheus

Positively not. As ob would say:

lets review: its a cult

shunning isnt going anywhere

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JWs have more good points than bad

by lsw1961 in

1) many who were on the destructive path have been transformed by their teachings (this includes me who was once vicious, and presumptuous and atheistic).

2) equal monthly pay to all members of the bethel community regardless of whether they are bc members or sweepers.

this is something that still remains as an unattainable dream for the world.

_Morpheus

I certainly respect you perspective, that the witness faith isnt pure evil top to bottom. I agree. However some of your points worth remarking on, for instance:

2) Equal monthly pay to all members of the Bethel community regardless of whether they are BC members or sweepers. This is something that still remains as an unattainable dream for the world. But JWs have successfully done it in all their Offices throughout the world for over a century. This is no insignificant accomplishment as this has the potential to solve virtually all the problems of the world.

Your misstating the facts. Nobody at bethel is paid anything. Bethelites have taken a legal vow of poverty. They receive a "stipend" to offset small personal expenses.

Im also lost as to why this makes number 2 on your list of positive things. The bethel "family" is very very small compared to the overall number of witnesses world wide and is shrinking. This is by no means representative of witnesses everywhere or a reflection on their positive influence on their members. Further i have no clue how you think receiving a small monthly stipend would virtually all the worlds problems. Thats patently ridiculous.

you also said:

But people choose to become JWs knowing very well about the above policy!

Thats incorrect. Many many of the witnesses in the organization today were baptized as children. They had reasonable concept of what they were agreeing too or what it meant.

Lastly you ended with the parting shot:

In your case, you are not enjoying your lives even after coming out of JWs as you are still worrying about what JWs are doing and attacking them relentlessly (just like a divorced husband, who passionately monitors his former wife and attacks her with no let up).

Far far from it. Most of us are EXTREMELY happy to be gone (to whatever extent we are gone) and find frustration only to the extent that we have to interact with family and friends that are still involved. We come here to help others break free, like you. Unlike the husband in your illustration we do not seek out active witness. We patiently wait for them to find us and then lovingly assist them :)