Its so infuriating. I swear everytime i think ive moved on from it i read another experiance, and there are 100’s if not 1000’s in the US alone, and i get angry all over again. I suppose everyone who leaves the org has issues that have touched them personally, some much more serious than others. In the grand scheme child abuse is worth caring about and kingdom hall scams not so much.... but it burns me anyway
_Morpheus
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in retrospect: RBCs vs LDCs / the hype about a lot of new construction and subsequent abrupt halt to construction
by Magnum inso, now that some time has passed, i’d like some input/thoughts/analysis/etc.
on the jw construction situation in the last few years.. first, why did they discontinue the rbc arrangement and institute the ldc arrangement?
was it for more and/or better control?
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Religion of Peace Hits Barcelona?
by freemindfade inhttp://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-40965581.
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in retrospect: RBCs vs LDCs / the hype about a lot of new construction and subsequent abrupt halt to construction
by Magnum inso, now that some time has passed, i’d like some input/thoughts/analysis/etc.
on the jw construction situation in the last few years.. first, why did they discontinue the rbc arrangement and institute the ldc arrangement?
was it for more and/or better control?
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Really? I didnt know that info was still around and i hate to derail the thread but i will try to make this next piece of info topical...
the old hall sat on the exact site of brother smiths house and wasnt subject to any specific regulations beyond whatever the building code of its time required. The minute plans were made to build something new on the site all current codes and regulations were applicable.
In the end that pos hall you see on street view, just single kh auditorium with absolutely no style or particular class, cost a little over a million bucks to build. 1.15 as i recall. And the land was already owned., as my story covered. That was all meterials (not very much) and site work. The rbc didnt want to handle the site work although at first they said they would so the local friends, who didnt want a new hall to begin with, got stuck with a bill for 700k for the site work alone. The drainage system is of course a good thing and handles all the parking lot run off in a very environmentally friendly fashion and i support that part of it... but it dosent lessen my anger at the branch
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I wish I had not gone to the meeting last night
by stillin inthe first thing i saw when i went in was the two video screens having the watchtower singers chorus doing a number.
the sound wasn't up enough to make out the song, but the video was grotesque.
the singers were swaying to the music, all independent of each other, no discipline, actually sloppy-looking.
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_Morpheus
I wish I had not gone to the meeting last night
Everyone who went to a meeting last night says the same 😂😂😂😂
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in retrospect: RBCs vs LDCs / the hype about a lot of new construction and subsequent abrupt halt to construction
by Magnum inso, now that some time has passed, i’d like some input/thoughts/analysis/etc.
on the jw construction situation in the last few years.. first, why did they discontinue the rbc arrangement and institute the ldc arrangement?
was it for more and/or better control?
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Lol yes dark that is it... i changed the name and used general dates, i dont like to give too much info on the internet but anyone from my area would know exactly what hall im talking about
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in retrospect: RBCs vs LDCs / the hype about a lot of new construction and subsequent abrupt halt to construction
by Magnum inso, now that some time has passed, i’d like some input/thoughts/analysis/etc.
on the jw construction situation in the last few years.. first, why did they discontinue the rbc arrangement and institute the ldc arrangement?
was it for more and/or better control?
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_Morpheus
Thank you done4good and wing, i wish it wernt true but every word and then some is... the problem is my former kh wasnt at all unique. Melano park really hit home for me when i heard about it because its virtually identical. Its happening all over the US and congregations seem unable to contest it. Its evil as hell and a pure money grab. Texas had an example where the congregation fought back i think.. but when the branch can simply df those that oppose them its a lost cause
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in retrospect: RBCs vs LDCs / the hype about a lot of new construction and subsequent abrupt halt to construction
by Magnum inso, now that some time has passed, i’d like some input/thoughts/analysis/etc.
on the jw construction situation in the last few years.. first, why did they discontinue the rbc arrangement and institute the ldc arrangement?
was it for more and/or better control?
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_Morpheus
This issue really burns me, it touches my heart in ways i wish it didnt but i have to admit it does. I have a lot of emotional distance from the org, i havent been to a meeting for almost two years now and dont miss it at all. I still talk to a few people here and there but overall im gone and happy.
The building though.... damn im attached still. Not the church part of it... not the worship or cult but the actual physical structure. I built it. Not the branch. Not the goddamn ldc. Me. Morpheus.
In the mid 1960’s the land was donate by a local brother. He owned a farm and he realized it was time to sell. It was expansive property and he sold to a developer who had to work with the city into which the new community would be incorporated to plan responsibly.
Brother Smith (not his real name) had a park area set up where people could fish during the summer and sold access for a few bucks to locals. When he sold the land for development he required that the lake be maintained as public property... and Not just a few swing sets or a small field. Its 85 acres with a huge lake still available for fishing and picnic areas. The park bears the name of brother smith to this day and is a huge community focal point throughout the summer with its amphitheater, ice rink, boat rentals and of course fishing.
Along with setting aside Smith pond park, brother smith wanted his local congregation (a very small group at that time) to have a place to meet in perpetuity. Although only 15 min outside of washington dc, it was a sleepy area, a lot of farms obviously, and few witnesses but brother Smith felt more and more people would move into the area as land was developed and of course A KH would be needed. In the late 1970’s brother smith (who had held onto the land that held his house) decided the time had come for he and his wife to move permanently. He donated the land his own family home stood on to the local congregation for a kingdom hall.
Plans were made and in the early 80’s the hall was built. It was a model at the time and the single congregation that used it was of course always appreciate to brother smith. The land was never mortgaged and the hall was 100% paid for the day it was built, entirely by local jw’s.
Fast forward to the late 1990’s. The area had grown by leaps and bounds and now 3 congregations are meeting in the hall that sits on old brother smiths land. A CO comes through, a random company man who never knew brother smith and who had sense of the area or history. He says the hall is about 20 years old and “outdated”. Truth be told it hadnt aged well and had some issues. The local friends simply wanted to remodel but the CO pushed for a teardown. In point of fact (and i speak with authority on this) he bullied the local weak willed spineless men into a teardown, lead by the RBC. The rbc, self important asshats that they were, were all to happy to tear down the hall built so long ago by local jw’s, and replace it with something THEY built.
Plans took forever as the local municipality required a very high grade of environmental controls (the hall is adjacent to smith pond and park) and good for them! Eventually though all concerns were addressed and the new hall was approved by all parties involved and in late 2010 (ish) the hall was torn down and a new one built...
The new hall was in some ways nicer but in others not so much. The old hall had a beautiful theater style auditorium, with fixed folding seats, hard wired mikes on the back of the seats and a sloping floor that allowed an unobstructed view by. The seats were arranged in a half circle and was classy and beautiful.
The new hall was typical cookie cutter box. The seats were on a level floor and the rbc intended to use the god awful movable chairs. That was a mile to far and the local brothers, lead by an apostate that you may know, refused and bought the old style fixed chairs (a small victory but a victory non the less).
What galls the hell out of me, no matter how hard i try to forget it, is what happened at the end of the build. The rbc’s work complete the hall was dedicated yadd yadda.... and then the shoe dropped. In order to get the branch to approve the money for the hall the “local building committee” (a group of local elders representing the 3 local congregations) had made a “loan application” to the branch. That local committee had signed over the land that brother smith donated to the US branch.
In one fell swoop the kh went from being a building totally debt free on land owned by the local congregation to million dollar building owned wholly and totally by the US branch of JW’s, to do with as they pleased. As a final kick in the ass, the branch “forgave” the debit that the congregations incurred to build this new piece of crap hall... of course in “forgiving” the debit they simply asked that congregation continue to make payments on the new piece of crap hall, in the same amount, forever.
A hall the branch owns.
Its infuriating to me, even now today as i type this after all the time thats passed, to think that the land that brother smith donated and the hall that once stood there is gone, owned lock stock and barrel by a goddam cult, while the park and pond next door still bears his name is owned, just as he intended, by the community and is enjoyed by all.
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Religion of Peace Hits Barcelona?
by freemindfade inhttp://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-40965581.
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_Morpheus
Yes nevuela, they are. Sarcasium dosent always translate to the written word.
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in retrospect: RBCs vs LDCs / the hype about a lot of new construction and subsequent abrupt halt to construction
by Magnum inso, now that some time has passed, i’d like some input/thoughts/analysis/etc.
on the jw construction situation in the last few years.. first, why did they discontinue the rbc arrangement and institute the ldc arrangement?
was it for more and/or better control?
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_Morpheus
I totally believe that it was about control and taking money. Its an added benefit that with ‘central control’ average publishers see even less details and ask fewer questions.
Its so wrong that they stole land from congregations who had owned it out right. That was an issue that would have woken me up had i not already been on my way out the door. They knew when they began the push to build that it was a fraud. It was complete crap designed to fleece the flocks and they had slowly been moving towards it ever since the melano park congregation fought back.
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fun tv show
by nancy drew inwe've been watching a show called people of earth it's hilarious has anyone else seen it?
it's a comedy about people who have been abducted and meet at a church to talk about it and the portrayals of the greys,the reptilians and the nordics and their issues is classic.
it's on tbs.
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_Morpheus
Yea i got caught by it when there was a marathon on a few weeks ago... surprisingly good!