Posts by azor

It surprises me that you have been out that long. You still come across as so judgemental. Religion stops critical thinking and citing what I can only imagine are utilitarian examples in no way makes what one believes about a higher power true.

I value truth above all else including God. If what you state is true than it has nothing to fear from criticism. It will hold up to all as it is "true". If you are unwilling to examine the other side how are you or others that believe the same as you any different than a jw that calls all who disagree with there annointed leaders apostates?

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A Whole New Watchtower Society (Governing Body 3.0 / Simplified Society)

by FusionTheism in

a whole new watchtower society (governing body 3.0 / simplified society).

i'm not here to attack the governing body, watchtower society, or the jehovah's witnesses (jw) organization.

the bible says there is just "one hope" for christians (ephesians 4:4).

azor

Your approach has been tried. Most here are not opposing wt. Rabid is also an interesting choice of words. Pretty judgemental I think. Before you continue to cast stones at what you know not, continue your research.

You obviously have started to wake up to the fact that the GB has made many mistakes. Is it possible much of religion as a whole has as well, and why stop there with your critical thinking. If you have truth or just accept something as truth what is the evidence for it. Blind faith is just that blind, it stops critical thinking.

I recommend checking out the truth that a former Pentecostal came to with much study about his religion and how he valued truth above all else. YouTube evid3nc3. I would only check it out though if you value truth above all else.

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Some common words that are applicable in practical use with the Jehovah's Witnesses Organization

by Finkelstein in

i'll start the ball rolling .... .

coercive.

pretentious.

azor

No freedom of speech

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Spirituality

by Jonathan Drake in

if you are a current practitioner of some religious faith i would appreciate it if you abstained from this thread entirely.

im curious if anyone has had what could be discribed as a spiritual experience.

i'm currently reading sam harris book waking up and it's very good so far.

azor

DJS - what I have read and heard from Harris is his way of addressing spiritual as you use the word Karma. He is starting a conversation with this book on the subject. Perhaps 100 years from now we will refer to this as a neo-virtual experience or some other term that provide specific physical knowledge about the areas of the brain that are being affected and how it is helpful or harmful.

If we don't talk about this and chalk it up as just woo how do we grow in our understanding. How will we learn and help humanity break free from the ridiculous superstitions that have burdened us for millennia?

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Spirituality

by Jonathan Drake in

if you are a current practitioner of some religious faith i would appreciate it if you abstained from this thread entirely.

im curious if anyone has had what could be discribed as a spiritual experience.

i'm currently reading sam harris book waking up and it's very good so far.

azor

One of the things I appreciated about Harris's book is his approach to the subject. He is an atheist, neuroscientist, and part of the 4 horsemen of the apocalypse. He gets heat from both sides of the divide with his premise. Theists for taking their cherished religious enlightenment experiences and applying the scientific method to it. Atheists for using the term spirituality in anything but negative terms.

He postulates that the only way to help people get free from religion is to address their woo and apply the scientific method to it. Much like religion stated that they hold the only means to morality. He also shows how near death experiences are similar to those in deep meditation.

I believe the only way we can win this battle against the evil of religion is to confront it on every front. Scientists like Harris, are doing this. Harris with the micro or inner workings of the mind and Krauss with the macro with the beginning of the universe. These are the areas theists and religionists use as a last resort to end discussions. Once these are fully vetted out there will be no other arena for them to go.

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Damned if they do, Damned if they don't

by FusionTheism in

jw
friends

i see an attitude among some people here which is not very helpful.

i can understand it, but still, it's not constructive or helpful.. if you condemn the society for not changing, but then you also condemn them when they do change in a positive way, what incentive or motive does that provide for the people at the society to ever want to change for the better?.

also, what does that attitude look like to current witnesses who are having doubts?.

azor

Fusion theism. They are damned either way as they have much blood on their hands. Have you lost a loved one to their insane blood policy or from a shunning induced suicide? I almost lost my young child because of this group.

I was a faithful true believer for most of my life. Pioneered, served at bethel, was an elder for nearly a decade. I bought it all hook line and sinker. My circumstances forced me to open my eyes to the cult this organization truly is. Due to not being exposed to the indoctrination on a regular basis because of my child's condition the double speak and manipulation became more and more apparent.

I get the sense that you are still regular at meetings and trying to see how you and perhaps others that are like minded can make it better from within. It is a fools errand. For goodness sake a member of their highest order couldn't do it. The birds are coming home to roost.

The jw cult must die. There is nothing it can do to make up for the damage it has left in its wake. Again much blood is on their heads.

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Spirituality

by Jonathan Drake in

if you are a current practitioner of some religious faith i would appreciate it if you abstained from this thread entirely.

im curious if anyone has had what could be discribed as a spiritual experience.

i'm currently reading sam harris book waking up and it's very good so far.

azor

Just finished listening to it on audio book. The full version is available on YouTube.

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Atheist Miracles

by Perry in

jw
friends

i reworded a variation of a common critique of atheists to my own liking.

no, i do not hate atheists, i love them!

they keep me from getting bored.

azor

I have noticed that many who leave this cult have great difficulty letting go of gods. I know from my circle that many consider it a moral failing. Family and friends that say you leave god when you leave his "true organization" applies tremendous pressure to prove them wrong.

In my research I have also noticed a strong correlation when atheists come out to their religious families and that of JW's leaving the cult. The way they are treated is atrocious. Depending on the religious fervor of their family many of them lose most of their previous contacts like many of us here.

The arguments that believers in gods make are tired like the one above. They are not sound just like the witness that makes the statement "wait on jehovah".

To all believers in gods on this forum please do your research. It is painful. But we know pain since we have gone through or are going through the pain of leaving this cult.

Do your own research. Don't trust what you want to believe. You have seen what that can lead to for you are here because of it. Follow the evidence. There is an abundance of peer reviewed documentation on evolution and mythology of the bible and many more related subjects. Or you can start on YouTube if you don't like to read.