Posts by azor

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Endure! Life is hard! Lost? We are Miserable ? Don't think so

by ducatijoe in

its a rainy day and have been reading posts.. i would like to respond to the comments of those still in, post to those who have decided to leave.. what ever you have been told or may think about what will happen without "the truth" , is not true.

my life without the wbts is fantastic.

no stress, live in a beautiful place, great new friends and total peace of mind.

azor

Thank you for this post. I left 7 months ago and I'm in the process of moving my family to a new area within the next month. Some in my extended family know where my family ttatt wise is and do very little with us. This is despite my son undergoing chemo for leukemia. It's even harder to feel abandoned with this going on.

I have mixed feelings. Excited about the new beginning and sad that I have lost so much. Family, and so called friends. Damn I don't even have anyone to help me move. I have to hire someone since I can't lift the items myself.

I know my wife, children, and I will make new friends. The interim is very challenging though. My son has been battling for his life and doing well so far thanks to the system of things that we live in. I'll be damned if I condemn my children to this cult after everything my children and wife have been through.

Here's to a new life and new beginnings.

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Apostasy Trial on YouTube - Undercover spycam part 1

by RayPublisher in

for only the second time in internet history, a video recording of a secret jehovah's witness apostasy trial has been published online on the jwstruggle youtube channel.

follow isaac's story here:.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=se9rh6qux0o&feature=youtu.be.

azor

Thank you for posting this. I look forward to watching the second installment. Being a former elder myself I was pissed when they started in on the Catholic church and how good wt was in its policies toward pedos.

I have to watch the second one when no one is around so people don't start looking at me sideways as I'm cursing up a storm.

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What is BELIEF ?

by EdenOne in

stemming from the 'absentheism' thread, an old question came to my mind.

what exactly is "belief"?.

is it the same to ask: "do you believe in god?

azor

Pressman - go to a theist site and see how much discord and disagreements exist. I lost count of how many Christian denominations there are. I refuse to stick my fingers in my ears and say la la la when I hear something I don't like. Even though people like you pressure me to do so.

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What is BELIEF ?

by EdenOne in

stemming from the 'absentheism' thread, an old question came to my mind.

what exactly is "belief"?.

is it the same to ask: "do you believe in god?

azor

I hope this nonsense is in the private forum. I have only been here a few months and the trifling over words could easily prevent someone that is brand new away from this site. And away from the wonderful resource of knowledge and wisdom here.

Cofty and Viviane and others with your viewpoint why bother engaging eden one and outlaw? It seems like you give credibility to a subject that doesn't merit it. A duplicate in essence of the last one on absentheism.

I like eden one and outlaw as well and believe they bring humor and a different outlook, but seem petulant at least to me with posts like this that get overly personal with topics like this that are quite out there to begin with.

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Theory of god

by azor in

i have noticed that theists have an aversion to the word theory.

as it is mostly attached to evolution, and they have a deep misunderstanding of what the word means.. i'm probably botching the following statement but the general idea is as follows.

it has been said that whoever sets the parameters of the battle or frames the argument wins.

azor

I have noticed that theists have an aversion to the word theory. As it is mostly attached to evolution, and they have a deep misunderstanding of what the word means.

I'm probably botching the following statement but the general idea is as follows. It has been said that whoever sets the parameters of the battle or frames the argument wins. Theists continue to twist the meaning of words to confuse and help their flocks remain blind.

What if we started using some of their tactics against them. Frame the points of discussion. Stating belief in god as a theory anytime we discuss it with friends, neighbors, and forums may help some analyse what a theory actually is and how the theory of god does not move into the category of provable truth. In contrast to evolution and so on.

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Why people don't believe in God

by pressman in

do you want to know why i think people don't believe in god?

well i believe people don't want to believe in god because they are scared.

they know that if they finally do gorge the confidence to believe in him, he might discipline them for their skepticism.

azor

Pressman are you a jw? If not how did you come to know they were not representing god?

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Why people don't believe in God

by pressman in

do you want to know why i think people don't believe in god?

well i believe people don't want to believe in god because they are scared.

they know that if they finally do gorge the confidence to believe in him, he might discipline them for their skepticism.

azor

On the way out - I agree wholeheartedly regarding your example about children's hospitals. It is a tremendous demonstration that there is no god.

Over the last few years I have spent many nights in one with my son. When I was able to actually fall asleep I would often be woken by children crying in pain. They were not my children and yet my heart ached to help them. Let me tell you the silence from above on those sleepless nights was deafening.

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The Bible Gods Word or Mans

by azor in

i remember studying this book years ago and how it impacted my belief system.

i no longer believe the bible is god's word.

however i do have a couple of lingering questions on this subject.

azor

SonoftheTrinity - at first I liked your quote as well but something about it bothered me. It is clever. However it discredits the amount of thought and research one goes through by letting the evidence lead them. It makes it seem as though it is a sad state to be an atheist or agnostic.

I continue to see evidence on this site and others that theists use pity, fear, and wonder to prove god exists. Religion and god are two although related things, they are not the same.

Some religions do good things. That does not prove there is a god just as the religions that do bad things disprove him.

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Why people don't believe in God

by pressman in

do you want to know why i think people don't believe in god?

well i believe people don't want to believe in god because they are scared.

they know that if they finally do gorge the confidence to believe in him, he might discipline them for their skepticism.

azor

Pressman - The mental gymnastics you have to jump through to try and make a point makes me want to cry and laugh at the same time.

Cry because I weep for the blinders people will put on to try and keep a semblance of their belief. For many it is just to much to lose god along with their religion, family, and friends. If you really feel the way you just described how did you ever analyse and see that the jw's are wrong? Why didn't you just continue to blindly follow and believe their interpretation of the bible?

Laugh because the line of thought you portrayed makes me think that you are just taking us all for a ride on this joke to demonstrate how ridiculous belief in jwism is.

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Why people don't believe in God

by pressman in

do you want to know why i think people don't believe in god?

well i believe people don't want to believe in god because they are scared.

they know that if they finally do gorge the confidence to believe in him, he might discipline them for their skepticism.

azor

It's funny how you use fear as the reason for not wanting to believe. I do want to believe but the evidence does not support my desire. Show me the proof.

You may have concern about being disciplined for being skeptical. That says more about you than anyone else. From my observation of human nature and god. The construct of it is one of each individuals ego.

I would never have imagined a god disciplining me or anyone I cared about for being skeptical or using what was given each of us by him "our brain". I certainly would never discipline my children for asking perfectly legitimate questions.

I wonder what kind of childhood you had to believe of god in this way.