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  On respect for the belief of others. Sorry for the long post

  by StarTrekAngel in

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  i am inclined to start this thread in response to some comments made in other threads.

  i have been coming around these forum for quite some time now so whatever you find in here is not just related to something someone may have said this week.

  it can go months back as well.. i have seen many who claim to respect the belief of others but when it comes down to applying it into practice, things take a whole different tune.

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  Oubliette I hear what your saying. I still don't get the term pro science. It's like saying im pro reality or anti reality.
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  On respect for the belief of others. Sorry for the long post

  by StarTrekAngel in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i am inclined to start this thread in response to some comments made in other threads.

  i have been coming around these forum for quite some time now so whatever you find in here is not just related to something someone may have said this week.

  it can go months back as well.. i have seen many who claim to respect the belief of others but when it comes down to applying it into practice, things take a whole different tune.

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  There is a difference between a disease and a virus. Belief/religious especially is what drove the evidence in the case you mentioned. Anyone can skew information to justify their beliefs. Thus belief is the problem. The root, or however else someone wants to put it.

  I don't understand the term pro science. Can someone be pro math, pro linguistics, and so on.
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  On respect for the belief of others. Sorry for the long post

  by StarTrekAngel in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i am inclined to start this thread in response to some comments made in other threads.

  i have been coming around these forum for quite some time now so whatever you find in here is not just related to something someone may have said this week.

  it can go months back as well.. i have seen many who claim to respect the belief of others but when it comes down to applying it into practice, things take a whole different tune.

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  I was horrified when I discovered how Alan Turing was treated. The fact that there is not a statue with his name on it is ridiculous. He should be as well known as Einstein in the western world and yet I only recently heard of him and would have dismissed him outright as a JW a little over a year ago. The way he died is especially atrocious.

  Belief is the disease that caused others to treat him inhumanely. Belief that someone born different is wrong and evil. Unfounded belief is the problem. Belief without evidence. Faith whether in God's or otherwise is damaging to our species.

  I can only hopen for my children and future grandchildrens' sake that we wake up from the slumber we are in as a species. Cast aside our hubris and be willing to say I don't know and keep looking. Belief without evidence stops that process.
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  On respect for the belief of others. Sorry for the long post

  by StarTrekAngel in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i am inclined to start this thread in response to some comments made in other threads.

  i have been coming around these forum for quite some time now so whatever you find in here is not just related to something someone may have said this week.

  it can go months back as well.. i have seen many who claim to respect the belief of others but when it comes down to applying it into practice, things take a whole different tune.

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  The LGBT approach was multi-faceted. The women's suffrage movement, and the anti racial discrimination movement were as well.

  Religion/Beliefs are a virus that need to be eradicated like all of the other crap modern civilizations have rightfully placed in history where it belongs. Viruses can still pop up here and there, but applying the scientific method knocks it back so we can keep advancing.

  Beliefs without evidence holds us back and we die because of it. I for one will no longer stand for the crap PC cumbaya notion that we need to respect others beliefs. I call bullshit. No more, people have died to young through the centuries because of this notion and continue to do so.

  I hope that those who are thin skinned can put on their grown up pants and realize that there are much bigger things at stake than your hurt feelings. You might be wrong, so what, grow up and get over it already.
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  On respect for the belief of others. Sorry for the long post

  by StarTrekAngel in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i am inclined to start this thread in response to some comments made in other threads.

  i have been coming around these forum for quite some time now so whatever you find in here is not just related to something someone may have said this week.

  it can go months back as well.. i have seen many who claim to respect the belief of others but when it comes down to applying it into practice, things take a whole different tune.

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  Pardon me if this has already been covered. The problem is the post itself. Belief of any kind does not merit respect. Jdub beliefs do not merit respect. KKK beliefs do not merit respect. Covering women in hijabs doesn't either.

  I love this forum because beliefs are openly challenged. One of my favorite quotes now is "I respect you to much as a person (I would add as a member of my species) to respect your beliefs. If I'm wrong I should change. If anyone is and doesn't that does not merit respect. It merits shame and ridicule so this nonsense will stop.
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  Where are you from?

  by BeautifulMind in

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  i know we are all anonymous for our own personal reasons, so i understand if you would rather not say.

  but if you don't mind sharing that would be cool.

  i currently live in georgia, usa.

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  Los Angeles, California.
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  Mass Mailer to Congregations & Branches - Those who can't disassociate

  by thedepressedsoul in

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  2. beliefs

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/491270004/mass-disassociation-pact?size=10&page=15.

  the topic above got me thinking.

  everyone here can't send a disassociation letter due to family or other reasons.

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  Blues brother. I doubt the elders know. I was an elder less than a year ago and I had no idea about any of this. Once I knew I was floored with the amount of lies from jworg. One of them principally being that "apostates" are liars, manipulative, and so on.

  One of the things I told my siblings as I was walking away was that what fear does light have of darkness. If it's the truth it has nothing to fear.

  I for one would like to participate. I have hundreds of addresses in the socal area mainly.
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  All It Takes Is ONE!

  by John Aquila in

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  ive been reading all these posts about bethelites and special pioneers being kicked out in the street and being forced to get a job to provide for themselves..

  and im trying to put myself in their situation and feel the emotions that must be going through their mind.

  what if my wife and i both dropped out of school to pioneer and got married at 18. and what if we were very faithful in listening to everything the organization says.

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  I've said this before. If I had lost my son due to his leukemia diagnosis need for blood and found out what I now know after.

  Theres a saying "hell hath no fury as a mother's wrath." I'm not a mother but I am a parent. I would have taken as many of the leaders out and then myself. I called under a pseudonym and told service desk at Brooklyn that.
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  Why don't you do anything?

  by WireRider in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i'm not jw, so i see this all standing up and very clear from an outsider perspective (i am still seeking my path).

  i joined the blog a few weeks ago.

  i dated a divorced jw (jw from birth) for a couple of years recently.

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  That's exactly the point. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make them drink. I sent an email to my entire family regarding the australian royal commission. Even spun it in a positive light to make it more palatable to try and help some wake up. I got nothing but grief over it. Shoot the messenger.

  I think Stephen Hassans book escaping cult mind control explains the reasons and best approaches for this quite well. I would be all over letter writing, billboards, phone calls, or whatever other reasonable activism if I thought it would help. Who knows maybe the text I sent is sitting on the back of some of my families heads right now.
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  Why don't you do anything?

  by WireRider in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i'm not jw, so i see this all standing up and very clear from an outsider perspective (i am still seeking my path).

  i joined the blog a few weeks ago.

  i dated a divorced jw (jw from birth) for a couple of years recently.

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  azor

  Did your ex jw girlfriend ever view sites like this one? Jwfacts, and so on. I came to this site after I stopped going to meetings and knew I wouldn't go back.