Posts by azor

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Hodgkins Lymphoma Returns

by azor in

my sister was diagnosed with hodgkins lymphoma earlier this year.

we thought treatment worked as she finished her chemo treatment a month ago.

i just got a call from her that she has lumps on her legs and she has been extraordinarily tired.

My sister was diagnosed with Hodgkins Lymphoma earlier this year. We thought treatment worked as she finished her chemo treatment a month ago. I just got a call from her that she has lumps on her legs and she has been extraordinarily tired. It's likely back.

I tried asking her to research the blood issue and not just her normal resources. She then told me a few minutes later that a sister in her hall has a list of doctors that respect the jws stand on blood.

I'm at a loss. She has and continues to go through so much. Her 2 youngest have autism. The youngest will always need care.

I want to help her but my hands are tied because of her ties to this cult. She is 13 years my senior and was like a mom to me. The rest of my siblings are very in this cult. 2 are elders, and the youngest is a ms with a son at bethel.

I am open to suggestions.

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Silent And Sweet Rebellion Going On Within JW Organization!

by lsw1961 in

after 1975, the vast majority remained as though nothing has happened.

but some left the organization.

however, there arose a third category who did not leave the organization, but brought a new view into their heart: jws are right in their core cause (gods kingdom as the solution to mankinds problems) but may or may not be right in their supplementary teachings, hence are not bothered about changes happening in this unimportant area..

azor

ISW1961 you are no different than other Christians then. Pick and choose as you see fit. Thats not my Jesus many say. Ignoring all the inconvenient parts. Why is the scripture you highlighted any more valid then the others? Let me guess it fits into your world view.

I used to think like you that I could change it from within. Than I read Crisis of Conscience. JWism needs to go the way of the dodo as in their own words their blood guilt is heavy and the stench is great.

Do you still go in your so called ministry? Trapping others in this high control group. Setting them up for the mind manipulation so characteristic of the JW's.

Did you ever watch the YouTube "Bending Truth"? It is only a half hour.

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A time to recognize

by BrokenBonz in

it's my time to recognize the faults that i've made.

in my case, i was inattentive, uncaring, selfish, and aloof.

it has brought me to this time in my life the waking call of my errors.

azor

I can as well. Coming out of a high control group can be very painful. I used to be very judgemental. I have been responsible for the shunning of others as a former elder. I as a true believer almost lost son due to jw blood policy.

You can overcome and help others in need from your experience.

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JWs have more good points than bad

by lsw1961 in

1) many who were on the destructive path have been transformed by their teachings (this includes me who was once vicious, and presumptuous and atheistic).

2) equal monthly pay to all members of the bethel community regardless of whether they are bc members or sweepers.

this is something that still remains as an unattainable dream for the world.

azor

You just made my point. Most people will only take a stand for something if it impacts them. Unfortunately it is a very human thing to do. In fact there was a recent study that highlighted the flawed belief that a religious upbringing makes people more altruistic. In fact the opposite proved true. Religious people were the least altruistic and the most biased in favor of their group. JW's are no different.

On the one hand you were lucky to have been born into a family that valued education and free will. I was not. In fact I almost got kicked out of my house for wanting to go to a 9 month trade school so I could support myself pioneering. In fact I was the only one of 5 in my family to go through my 12 years of general ed to get my high school diploma. I know I am not alone with these types of experiences.

You speak of compassion. Where is yours when it comes to this subject. What about the policy of turning a blind eye and covering over child abuse.

Watch "bending truth" on YouTube to see how your own guilt is likely preventing you from seeing reality. You are rationalizing here. When I started too wake up I felt an extreme sense of shame and pain that I just wanted to go away. Try to imagine what its like to believe you love your firstborn son that doctors told you and your wife you would never be able to have. I wanted to be in that hospital bed in his place, but couldn't. I sacrificed him like Abraham and I carry deep shame now. I have to give him chemo every night and want to swallow a bullet after I do. I can't though because that would be extremely selfish of me and the last thing he and my family needs and deserves.

I understand how painful cognitive dissonance is. It would be easier for me to pretend and live in the fantasy that jwism creates. I can't though because the cost is to great.

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JWs have more good points than bad

by lsw1961 in

1) many who were on the destructive path have been transformed by their teachings (this includes me who was once vicious, and presumptuous and atheistic).

2) equal monthly pay to all members of the bethel community regardless of whether they are bc members or sweepers.

this is something that still remains as an unattainable dream for the world.

azor

ISW1961 this is in response to your question to fink. "Why do you bother about silly things such as no blood transfusion?"

People have and are dying because of this teaching. My wife and I have to live with being true believers in Wt. doctrine until the day we die. We put our son on the jw no blood altar on 12-7-12. I will never forget the date for as long as I live. Much of me died that day. Thankfully the courts stepped in and my son is fighting his battle with courage and strength.

I lost my family because I warned them about the wrongness of Wt. blood policy. I couldn't live with myself if I had to see them go through what I did without warning them.

I wish I had known about the changed organ transplant policy before the blood policy was front and center with my family. How many died following that policy. You are showing a lack of compassion and empathy at best by asking that question to Fink.

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JWs have more good points than bad

by lsw1961 in

1) many who were on the destructive path have been transformed by their teachings (this includes me who was once vicious, and presumptuous and atheistic).

2) equal monthly pay to all members of the bethel community regardless of whether they are bc members or sweepers.

this is something that still remains as an unattainable dream for the world.

azor

ISW1961 have you reviewed jwfacts.com or any of the YouTube videos I recommended?

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Hi noobie here.

by Grags in

hi my name is graham (but i much prefer to be called grags), i'm a 38 year old married man from the uk and have been studying with the witnesses for about 3 months.

i do a study every saturday and love every minute.

in john 6: 16-24 jesus's disciples get onto a boat without jesus and set off.

azor

Grags before going to far into your studies with jw's look up jwfacts.com. This particular organization is a captive one. My grandparents became witnesses almost a century ago. I decided to leave a year ago after I almost lost my son because of the jw blood doctrine.

I now am starting over at 40 having lost all my family and friends because I chose not to enslave my children to this high control group. There shunning policies are similar to the scientologists, and amish. Please do your research before committing yourself.

The people you are studying with will likely tell you that people here are a bunch of malcontent complainers. Not to listen to what is said here or other non pre-approved sources. Yet ask yourself how much research you put into buying an appliance or choosing a restaurant to eat at. Truth has nothing to fear from the light of criticism/clear thinking. If something is a lie it will not hold up.

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Document Blood Transfusion Deaths - please help

by Lee Elder in

the vast majority of deaths from the blood policy are undocumented because they are simply not newsworthy.

if you know of a death or serious injury/disability related to the blood policy, please help us document it.

send as many details as you can recall.

azor

My son almost died in 2012 had it not been for the courts. Leukemia diagnosis he was 5 at the time. Now 8 and doing well.

A dear friend died in November/December of 2013 of leukemia when my wife and I were just starting to wake up. Theresa Mirabel Rowland Heights, CA. She was in her late 50s.

My wife even found a special treatment center that felt good about her treatment plan. She needed a blood transfusion first in order to be strong enough to travel. She died within a month of being diagnosed and left behind a 17 year old son who was scheduled for heart surgery this year.

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JWs have more good points than bad

by lsw1961 in

1) many who were on the destructive path have been transformed by their teachings (this includes me who was once vicious, and presumptuous and atheistic).

2) equal monthly pay to all members of the bethel community regardless of whether they are bc members or sweepers.

this is something that still remains as an unattainable dream for the world.

azor

Wow ISW you really do live in your own private Idaho. I love that you quoted an atheist at the end there. Probably didn't even know that due to your brainwashing.

I don't know if I should be irritated with you or just sorry for you. A little of both. It truly is astonishing how hard our mind works to make our belief systems deal with reality. You are a tremendous example of cognitive dissonance, and bias. Type in "bending truth" into YouTube if you dare. You may learn some uncomfortable truths about your current dialogue here that will likely cause you to lose sleep at night.

Simon - maybe we can send this correspondence to a University that specializes in cognition biases and there effects.

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Is the Borg winding down printing altogether?

by slimboyfat in

the thread about magazines stopping distribution in india reminded me of a recent conversation.

a local brother said he asked for a copy of the new organisation book for publishers.

the elder told the brother to print it out if he wanted a physical copy.

azor

Yes I remember I worked on the damn thing. On and on about 60 to 70 thousand magazines a minute. The only good thing about it was that I've destroyed more magazines than the vast majority of jws will ever touch in their lifetime. Wish I could destroy some more.