I think there's a conspiracy to make conspiracy theories.
AlanF
Posts by AlanF
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60Do you buy into conspiracy theories?
by free2beme ini guess since leaving the witnesses, i have become willing to listen to more things.
mainly because i learned in life, that if the religion you were raised to live and die for is wrong, and deceptive, then couldn't that be said of government and science?
so with this in mind, of the ones i am going to list below.
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Looking for KM's 2002 to Present
by AlanF in.
i'm looking to fill in my collection of kingdom ministries with issues from 2002 through the present.. if anyone wants to get rid of some, please pm me.. thanks,.
alanf
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AlanF
No, I'm good on those. Thanks, mariposa.
AlanF
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What did Jaracz disapprove of in the Awake! of April 8th 1992?
by slimboyfat inbarabara anderson says:.
barry was out of town and it took three senior writers to put enough pressure on barr, as next in command, to keep the factory press room from capitulating to ted jaracz's orders not to print the april 8th 1992 awake!, which contained material jaracz did not support, although he was out of line by making such a demand.
the job assignment of each governing body member was clearly delineated and writing department editorial decisions were not jaracz's business, just like the decisions of the service department, under jaracz's command, were not the affair of barry, barr or klein.
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AlanF
Well, in the spiritual paradise that is Jehovah's organization, one only needs to study and go in field service, and all will be well.
Right?
Jaracz objected to showing that this basic bit of Watchtower dogma is not true.
AlanF
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What did Jaracz disapprove of in the Awake! of April 8th 1992?
by slimboyfat inbarabara anderson says:.
barry was out of town and it took three senior writers to put enough pressure on barr, as next in command, to keep the factory press room from capitulating to ted jaracz's orders not to print the april 8th 1992 awake!, which contained material jaracz did not support, although he was out of line by making such a demand.
the job assignment of each governing body member was clearly delineated and writing department editorial decisions were not jaracz's business, just like the decisions of the service department, under jaracz's command, were not the affair of barry, barr or klein.
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AlanF
Jaracz objected to some material on surviving sexual abuse.
AlanF
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Great news. The WTS did not commit spiritual prostitution with UN.
by thirdwitness inhttp://www.jehovahsjudgment.co.uk/watchtower-un-ngo/
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AlanF
Thirdwitless wrote:
: Outlaw: Do you have any idea how stupid you look to the rest of us?...
: Hey, Noah, Do you have any idea how stupid you look to the rest of us?...
As if this has anything to do with the topic at hand.
This is a stereotypical JW-defender ploy -- to plop some biblical story/parable/whatever into the mix and hope that the JW readers' committment to the "inerrancy of the Bible" will somehow overcome the basic logic of the question at hand.
Outlaw's questions were very general, and as such require a general answer -- something that thirdwitless is obviously afraid to deal with. Rather than straightforward answers, such as have been given countless times in this thread and others, thirdwitness merely recirculates most of his material -- as if it had not already been refuted many times.
: Hey Christian fleeing to the mountains in 70 CE, Do you have any idea how stupid you look to the rest of us?...
Anyone who falls for this analogy deserves to be mind-fucked.
AlanF
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What happened 5 or 6 years ago to get so many of us out of JW?
by jayhawk1 ini was reading through the thread, "how good does if feel to you not attending meetings anymore?
" i realized something.
many of us got out between 5 and 6 years ago.
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AlanF
I don't know that there was a big spike in JWs leaving 5-6 years ago, but there might have been a small one, given that the UN fiasco broke in late 2001, the child abuse fiasco broke in 2001, and there was the NBC Dateline show in 1992, along with many related TV programs around the world.
Since the early 1990s, more and more JWs and ex-JWs have inhabited many Internet forums, and have hashed out many topics, with the JWs consistently losing the debates. I think that this has contributed a lot more, in the long run, to JWs quitting the cult, than any one issue. I've kept hoping that a single issue would arise that would totally put the kabosh on the JW organization, but it has never materialized. But the steady influx of negative material is doing the job, I believe. A careful look at the statistics of JW growth in Western countries shows a steady decline in the growth rate since the late 1990s, and if it continues, it will result in zero growth in 2007-2008 -- not just in the countries where the zero or negative growth has been evident for some time, but in most of the world. Indeed, a careful study of JW growth worldwide yields the totally un-PC conclusion that growth in the JW cult largely occurs in populations or sub-populations that are the lowest segments of society, economically and socially speaking. While this statistic might give comfort to the lower class of doctrinaire JWs ("you have hidden these things from the wise and intellectual ones"; NWT) it does nothing for the self-appointed "intellectuals" of the Society's inner circles. The latter know perfectly well that a good deal of Watchtower teaching is nonsense, but because they've invested a lifetime in the cult, and have no backup system in terms of families who would take them in or individual survival skills, they simply go with the traditional flow and hope that the shit doesn't hit the fan while they're alive.
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AlanF
Damien, for your own good you need to quash your emotional attachment to this young girl and find someone else. I know what I'm talking about because I was married to a committed and thoroughly braindead JW woman for nearly 20 years. It was no picnic.
If you absolutely can't let go of this young woman (and I wonder about your statement that your best friend is her father -- what the fuck?) you should at least protect yourself by trying to get her out of the JWs before you make the extremely binding legal committment to be married to her. Remember that in American courts, the female gets 90% of the consideration. I know; I been.
AlanF
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Looking for KM's 2002 to Present
by AlanF in.
i'm looking to fill in my collection of kingdom ministries with issues from 2002 through the present.. if anyone wants to get rid of some, please pm me.. thanks,.
alanf
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AlanF
Thanks, mariposa. I don't need any Spanish KMs since I don't speak Spanish, but any English ones would be much appreciated.
AlanF
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Great news. The WTS did not commit spiritual prostitution with UN.
by thirdwitness inhttp://www.jehovahsjudgment.co.uk/watchtower-un-ngo/
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AlanF
The reason the Society improperly uses the word "register" to describe its association with the UN/DPI is that it's more benign than "associate". It eliminates the connotations of "associate", which in this case means that the Society had agreed, by virtue of applying for association, to support the U.N. Charter. When you merely "register" for something, it doesn't necessarily imply that you've agreed to anything other than put your name on a list. Since the Society desperately wants JWs not to know of its actual association and its agreement to support the U.N. Charter, having merely "registered" with the U.N. sounds so much better to the dumb sheep. Many people made this observation in 1991 when the scandal broke and the Society started covering its ass.
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Wikipedia being abused by Jehovahs Witnesses
by Simon ini had a look at the wikipedia entry for jehovahs witnesses yesterday and noticed that it wasn't as comprehensive as it once was.. most links to non-pro-jw sites have gone as is anything truly critical or exposing of their beliefs and practices.. last night i added a link to this site to the "other sources" section.
this morning it is gone.. i wonder whether this is some private zealot who has decided to do it or an organised campaign?.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/jehovah%27s_witnesses.
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AlanF
Very interesting, Simon. I think this points up Wikipedia's major weakness, and is the reason that many people won't contribute to it.
AlanF