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  KingDumb Halls Want Court Order To Keep Pedophile Documents Secret!

  by Country Girl in

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  congregations want court order .

  by jim mcbride.

  jehovah's witnesses congregations in amarillo and dumas are seeking a court order protecting them from releasing documents in a lawsuit filed by a woman who claims a former church elder sexually abused her.

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  pillsbury

  All of this is very typical.

  Once the CO was directly asked if a known pediphile came into the congregation could you warn others. The answer was absolutely not. The elders were to in a sense "babysit" the person. They had to make sure he never worked with young ones in field service and if they were getting friendly with a family to talk to him- NOT the family. The problem is you cannot watch a person 24 hours a day. The elders and their families would be protected but not the rest of the congregation.

  They are more worried about protecting $ and reputation than in protecting the congregations.
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  Bible= publications

  by pillsbury in

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  i have never really noticed how much the society equates their literature with the bible.

  there is an interesting quote in the last paragraph of this week's bookstudy out of the worship the only true god book.

  the chapter deals with the issue of univeral sovereignty, it states "how vital it is that we cultivate the habit now of responding positively to whatever direction jehovah gives us, whether through his word or through his organization.

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  pillsbury

  I have never really noticed how much the Society equates their literature with the bible. There is an interesting quote in the last paragraph of this week's bookstudy out of the Worship the Only True God book. The chapter deals with the issue of univeral sovereignty, it states "How vital it is that we cultivate the habit now of responding positively to whatever direction Jehovah gives us, whether through his Word or through his organization. Doing so, we show our genueine devotion to him as the Universal Sovereign.

  For myself, I did take at face value what they presented in the literature because I knew they would never knowingly be dishonest. If something was stated that seemed a little over the top I would just dismiss it has someone's opinion or pet peeve. The thing that bugs me now is that they do go beyond the things written in the Bible and twist things to fit through own ideas and expect people to follow them as if they were from God himself. Somebody else's conscience or opinion should not be forced onto another. Especially in those areas where there is no clear direction. I think it is wrong to be on either end of the spectrum when it comes to this. The bible even brings this out.
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  Appealing a Disfellowshipping

  by Nosferatu in

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  have any of you ever had a successful appeal to a disfellowshipping?

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  pillsbury

  Rarely does it happen. It is very much like Mulan said. Here is part of a post I just did on another thread-

  One other thing they have clarified is in the elder book it makes the statement "On occasion it may take more than one meeting to reach the wrongdoer's heart and move him to repentance." They said this doesn't mean to meet more than once with a person. Too many elders were trying to help people by meeting with them more than once. They said almost all cases can be handled in one visit. This goes to show there is no concern for the person, just the rules. One experience I heard that made me sick is a person appealed the decision to disfellowship and the appeal committee upheld it. One of them said that they believed she was repentant when he/she met with them but she wasn't with the original committee so he/she was disfellowshipped. The logic is an appeal committe doesn't retry a case, it just looks for any outstanding mistakes the 1st committe may have done.

  One other thing they don't tell people unless they ask is they can appeal in writing to the local Branch if they feel both appeal committees are in error. Then someone from Service will review the writeups from both committee's to see if there was any outstanding error in judgement.
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  DF'ing: The "Right Kind" Of Repentance.

  by Englishman in

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  i've heard of judicial committees df'ing people because their repentance, although genuine, was of the wrong kind.. for years now, elders have been told to make absolutely sure that a persons abject repentance, which might include copious weeping and even hysteria, is to be of no avail if:.

  they suspect that the accused's being sorry is only the fact that they are feeling sorry for themselves.. they suspect that the accused is showing sorrow only for the fact that they have been found out.. anyone else come across this?.

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  pillsbury

  This is very true. A person may be repentant but they will still be disfellowshipped. Some of the big things they harp on at the elder meetings is:

  Wickedness or Weakness? Has it been practiced (which really means more than once) or was it a one time thing?

  Is their sorrow equel to the degree of sin. For example, if a person does something once and they confess they will more than likely be shown mercy. If they have done it multiple times and had an oportunity to come forward and they didn't and were caught, it will be much more difficult for them not to be disfellowshipped. It depends on the makeup of the JC. If a person has shown a pattern of doing a certain type of sin, like being reproved or disfellowshipped before for it, it really is a slamdunk according to the jc. This is a big point because if the jc doesn't think the repentance is equal to the "crime" the person is disfellowshipped. If a person does a lot of things they ARE going to be disfellowshipped because they would never be able to show equal sorrow in their eyes.

  One other thing they have clarified is in the elder book it makes the statement "On occasion it may take more than one meeting to reach the wrongdoer's heart and move him to repentance." They said this doesn't mean to meet more than once with a person. Too many elders were trying to help people by meeting with them more than once. They said almost all cases can be handled in one visit. This goes to show there is no concern for the person, just the rules. One experience I heard that made me sick is a person appealed the decision to disfellowship and the appeal committee upheld it. One of them said that they believed she was repentant when he/she met with them but she wasn't with the original committee so he/she was disfellowshipped. The logic is an appeal committe doesn't retry a case, it just looks for any outstanding mistakes the 1st committe may have done.
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  Finally saying hello

  by pillsbury in

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  2. friends

  i have been lurking here for quite a while and have decided to officially introduce myself.

  i am still an active jw but i am in a holding pattern of sorts right now because of many of the things i have read on this form.

  they truely have been eye openers.

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  pillsbury

  Thanks everyone. I will keep all these good suggestions in mind.
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  Finally saying hello

  by pillsbury in

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  i have been lurking here for quite a while and have decided to officially introduce myself.

  i am still an active jw but i am in a holding pattern of sorts right now because of many of the things i have read on this form.

  they truely have been eye openers.

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  pillsbury

  Hello all. I have been lurking here for quite a while and have decided to officially introduce myself. I am still an active JW but I am in a holding pattern of sorts right now because of many of the things I have read on this form. They truely have been eye openers. I really don't know what direction I am going to take but plan on taking it very slow because of family. I just wanted to say thank you all the insightfull info that is presented here. It is nice to hear both sides of the story so a complete picture is developed.
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  Call for Contributions

  by pillsbury in

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  sorry if this has been brought up before.

  there have been many threads lately about the lastest article and upcoming service meeting parts on "giving".

  i have always wondered why they always have the article on contributions in one of the november issues.

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  Sorry if this has been brought up before. There have been many threads lately about the lastest article and upcoming Service Meeting parts on "giving". I have always wondered why they always have the article on contributions in one of the November issues. Well I came accross an interesting article in another magagzine I was reading. It was asking for money ( it is a non-profit organization). The reason is for tax purposes. If you contribute in different specified ways you can take advantage of the tax breaks for this year. This must be the same reason the WT comes out with it also. For the "wealthy friends" to contribute to them for the tax break opportunities. Though the begging has been especially strong this year.
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  WWW WT Funds at Work

  by blondie in

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  2. scandals

  new york daily news - http://www.nydailynews.com

  to watch towers rise .

  by hugh son.

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  pillsbury

  As for the bethilites that do live in the outbuildings they have to walk to one of the main dining areas to eat breakfast. That way it is easier to keep an eye on them. They do not eat where they live.
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  WWW WT Funds at Work

  by blondie in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  new york daily news - http://www.nydailynews.com

  to watch towers rise .

  by hugh son.

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  pillsbury

  The thing that doesn't make any sense is that they have enough room right now. Before Patterson was built there were 3000 to 3500 Bethelites in Brooklyn. There is less now. They spent alot of money to refurbish the old Tower's Hotel and Bossert. They also spent a small fortune to build 90 Sands that is next to the factory buildings. I have been told that it cost them as much to build 90 Sands as it did Patterson. The reason is because they had to pay contracters to come in lay the foundation (which ran very close to the subway) and the outer shell. They finshed the rest of the work themselves. They still own all these buildings. Now I agree that they have a lot of "brownstones" but the bulk of the people reside in the main buildings. The question is still why do they need that much space to house people when they already have it? and What are they planning on moving to Brooklyn that would require that many workers to maintain it?
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  WWW WT Funds at Work

  by blondie in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  new york daily news - http://www.nydailynews.com

  to watch towers rise .

  by hugh son.

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  pillsbury

  Hello all. I have been lurking here for a while and decided to jump in this one.

  This doesn't make much sense. I believe there is only around 5-6K in the whole US branch (that includes Brooklyn, Patterson, and the Farms). They have already moved much of what was in Brooklyn to Patterson (Service Dept, Tape Duplication, Art Dept) and they are moving the printing facilites to the Farm. That doens't leave much left at Brooklyn after everthing is said and done. So why would they need to build more housing? The majority of Bethelites already live in 124, 107, Towers, 90 Sands and Bossert. These buildings should be more than enough to house the remaining ones. Unless they plan to move other operations back to Brooklyn. Don't know.