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  The facts on crucifixion, stauros, and the "torture stake"

  by Leolaia in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  finally, i will look at biblical and patristic evidence bearing on the crucifixion of jesus in particular.

  we need to examine the earliest known descriptions of the kind of crucifixion adopted by the romans and the specific terms they used to refer to it.

  apparently the society believes that crux still meant "stake" in the second century a.d., when tacitus composed his annals.

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  sorry about the format but I couldn't get it to post all of it with it in.
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  The facts on crucifixion, stauros, and the "torture stake"

  by Leolaia in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  finally, i will look at biblical and patristic evidence bearing on the crucifixion of jesus in particular.

  we need to examine the earliest known descriptions of the kind of crucifixion adopted by the romans and the specific terms they used to refer to it.

  apparently the society believes that crux still meant "stake" in the second century a.d., when tacitus composed his annals.

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  Last try, The cross is loved and respected by millions of people. The Encyclopedia Britannica calls the cross “the principal symbol of the Christian religion.” Nevertheless, true Christians do not use the cross in worship. Why not? An important reason is that Jesus Christ did not die on a cross. The Creek word generally translated “cross” is stau-ros’. It basically means “an upright pale or stake.” The Companion Bible points out: “[Stau-ros’] never means two pieces of timber placed across one another at any angle … There is nothing in the Creek of the [New Testament] even to imply two pieces of timber.” In several texts, Bible writers use another word for the instrument of Jesus’ death. It is the Greek word xy’-lon. (Acts 5: 30; 10:39; 13:29; Galatians 3:13; 1 Peter 2:24) This word simply means “timber” or “a stick, club, or tree.” Explaining why a simple stake was often used for executions, the book Das Kreuz und die Kreuzigung (The Cross and the Crucifixion), by Hermann Fulda, states: “Trees were not everywhere available at the places chosen for public execution. So a simple beam was sunk into the ground. On this the outlaws, with hands raised upward and often also with their feet, were bound or nailed.” The most convincing proof of all, however, comes from God’s Word. The apostle Paul says: “Christ by purchase released us from the curse of the Law by becoming a curse instead of us, because it is written: ‘Accursed is every man hanged on a stake [“a tree,” King James Version].’”(Galatians 3:13) Here Paul quotes Deuteronomy 21:22, 23, which clearly refers to a stake, not a cross. Since such a means of execution made the person “a curse,” it would not be proper for Christians to decorate their homes with images of Christ impaled. There is no evidence that for the first 300 years after Christ’s death, those claiming to be Christians used the cross in worship. In the fourth century, however, pagan Emperor Constantine became a convert to apostate Christianity and promoted the cross as its symbol. Whatever Constantine’s motives, the cross had nothing to do with Jesus Christ. The cross is, in fact, pagan in origin. The New Catholic Encyclopedia admits: “The cross is found in both pre-Christian and non-Christian cultures.” Various other authorities have linked the cross with nature worship and pagan sex rites. Why, then, was this pagan symbol promoted? Apparently, to make it easier for pagans to accepts “Christianity.” Nevertheless, devotion to any pagan symbol is clearly condemned by the Bible. (2 Corinthians 6:14-18) The Scriptures also forbid all forms of idolatry. (Exodus 20: 4, 5; 1 Corinthians 10:14) With very good reason, therefore, true Christians do not use the cross in worship. * * For a more detailed discussion of the cross, see pages 89-93 of the book Reasoning From the Scriptures, published by Jehovah’s Witnesses.
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  The facts on crucifixion, stauros, and the "torture stake"

  by Leolaia in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  finally, i will look at biblical and patristic evidence bearing on the crucifixion of jesus in particular.

  we need to examine the earliest known descriptions of the kind of crucifixion adopted by the romans and the specific terms they used to refer to it.

  apparently the society believes that crux still meant "stake" in the second century a.d., when tacitus composed his annals.

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  Sorry. Having cable modem problems and issues getting all of this posted. Let's see if this works.

  THE cross is loved and respected by millions of people. The Encyclopedia Britannica calls the cross “the principal symbol of the Christian religion.” Nevertheless, true Christians do not use the cross in worship. Why not?
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  The facts on crucifixion, stauros, and the "torture stake"

  by Leolaia in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  finally, i will look at biblical and patristic evidence bearing on the crucifixion of jesus in particular.

  we need to examine the earliest known descriptions of the kind of crucifixion adopted by the romans and the specific terms they used to refer to it.

  apparently the society believes that crux still meant "stake" in the second century a.d., when tacitus composed his annals.

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  One more time

  THE cross is loved and respected by millions of people. The Encyclopedia Britannica calls the cross “the principal symbol of the Christian religion.” Nevertheless, true Christians do not use the cross in worship. Why not?

  An important reason is that Jesus Christ did not die on a cross. The Creek word generally translated “cross” is stau-ros’. It basically means “an upright pale or stake.” The Companion Bible points out: “[Stau-ros’] never means two pieces of timber placed across one another at any angle … There is nothing in the Creek of the [New Testament] even to imply two pieces of timber.”
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  The facts on crucifixion, stauros, and the "torture stake"

  by Leolaia in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  finally, i will look at biblical and patristic evidence bearing on the crucifixion of jesus in particular.

  we need to examine the earliest known descriptions of the kind of crucifixion adopted by the romans and the specific terms they used to refer to it.

  apparently the society believes that crux still meant "stake" in the second century a.d., when tacitus composed his annals.

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  Why True Christians Do Not Use the Cross in Worship
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  The facts on crucifixion, stauros, and the "torture stake"

  by Leolaia in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  finally, i will look at biblical and patristic evidence bearing on the crucifixion of jesus in particular.

  we need to examine the earliest known descriptions of the kind of crucifixion adopted by the romans and the specific terms they used to refer to it.

  apparently the society believes that crux still meant "stake" in the second century a.d., when tacitus composed his annals.

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  They are still going strong on this one. It is in the new book from the DC, "What Does the Bible Really Teach?" on pages 204-206 in the Appendix

  Why True Christians Do Not Use the Cross in Worship
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  A few observations from the DC

  by pillsbury in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i have been reading over everyones posts from the dc and it made me remember a few things:.

  the drama: they definately were discouraging going to collage.

  timothy had a friend named jonathon that pursued "worldly goals"- getting an education, getting a good job and getting married and having kids.

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  I have been reading over everyones posts from the DC and it made me remember a few things:

  The Drama: They definately were discouraging going to collage. Timothy had a friend named Jonathon that pursued "worldly goals"- getting an education, getting a good job and getting married and having kids. Timothy visited later in life and Jonathon was still going but was not doing enough(like servant, ect.) They even used phrases I have read here like that the GB in Jerusalem didn't have a clue about providing for themselves or have lost touch with reality and they put burdens on those in the congregation. It was a definate dig to say the the current GB know exactly what they are doing and to say different is wordly thinking.

  Friday Afternoon: A talk about not wasting your time on foolish speech. They lumped in apostate and other ideas they think are wrong. It is funny how they did a detailed explanation of why things like the cross, trinity ect are decieving ideas but never touched any things brought up by apostates. They didn't touch those with a ten foot pole.

  Saturday Afternoon: Obey the FD slave (really GB). Obey us because we say we are God's channel. If not then Jesus is going to destroy you. Don't look at faults or mistakes and just listen.

  Obey the Elders: It doesn't matter if they are idiots, you still have to obey. This is God's way of doing things. You listen to what they have to say and don't complain. Jah will take care of elders that are not doing what they should. You just listen and obey them.

  Of course this is just a paraphrasing. I got the feeling they were like parents yelling at their kids to listen to them. It is amazing to see things said and know the real reason why they are being said. Glad it is over.
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  Next WT Study....... Alcohol!!!

  by Doubtfully Yours in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  it should be most interesting.

  1 out of 3 in my actual congregation has a heavy drinking problem.

  i'd say that's the 'sin' that is way, way overlooked by the wtbts.

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  This is a rehash of the Alcohol talk at the DC last year. They basically said that you don't need to be drunk to over drink and that if anyone is offended because of alcohol we skip it. They even had a demo about it with a couple that just moved to a new congregation and that they would have any alcohol so as not to stumble anyone. The emphasis was definately on don't drink in any instance than it is just a conscience matter.
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  WT Letter about elders' sins

  by IT Support in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  someone recently posted a topic which included a link to a wt letter to bodies of elders.

  the letter stated that if an elder confessed to having committed a serious (i.e.

  disfellowshippable) sin a number of years ago, and nobody knew about it, he need not be removed.

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  Here you go:

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  km 10/72 p. 8 Question Box ***

  Question

  Box

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  What is meant by "some years ago" on page 170, paragraph two, in the "Organization" book?

  This indicates more than a year or two. It may be noted that it did not say "many years ago." So it is not an exact number of years, but more like two or three years. It was not intended to have a brother go back into the distant past to bring up wrongs of which he repented years ago and that have evidently been forgiven by Jehovah and are not being practiced now. In many cases the wrongs occurred prior to the time when the "Watchtower" drew attention to what the Scriptures say on such misconduct.

  If a brother has been serving faithfully for some years and has seen evidence of Jehovah?s blessings upon him, why should he now step down from office? If he has the right viewpoint now on conduct and will give good counsel he should be able to continue to serve. If the local body of elders see that he has the respect of the congregation and has shown the proper qualifications over the last two or three years, he may remain in his position of service.

  Must wrongdoing be brought to public attention after many years? The book (page 168) under "Public Reproof" quotes 1 Timothy 5:20 and mentions reproof of those who confess to committing more than one offense. But it really has to do with recent events. The "Interlinear" refers to those "sinning," something going on at the time. So if repentance occurred some years ago, three years ago or more, and sinning ceased, and he is respected by the congregation, it is not necessary now to publicly reprove one who committed more than one offense "some years ago."
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  Where are the MS's?

  by ozziepost in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  a thought occurred to me when i read one of blondie's comments in her thread http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/10/82052/1.ashx

  even then a lot of those elders delegated it to some up and coming ms. can?t do that now with so few ms in the congos.

  there was a time when the ms outnumbered the e's in each congregation.

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  This is becoming a very big and real problem. At the last Elder school a couple of years ago, they mentioned that the elders outnumbered the MSs by 2 to 1(at least here in the States). In about 10 to 15 years there is going to be hardly anybody to replace the older elders that die off.