Posts by Nadsam

i realize i risk making an over-generalization here, but i notice that many witnesses are just broke or nearly so.. this was reinforced with a recent incident in which i learned that only a few people in the congregation have any.

health insurance - including elders.

the wall street journal carried a front page article with graph that showed the.

Nadsam

I remember being a pioneer in 1985 and living on about $1 a day and hand outs.Worse when I went to Bethel in 1986 I recieved an allowance of $15 a month and two suits (cheapies) and 1 pair shoes a year. I used to suck up to all the old ladies for them to knit me a jersey for free. I secretly used to fill in the Reader's digest sweepstakes hoping I could win and get the hell out of it..but was afraid that my terrible crime of secretly worshipping mammon in Bethel and the God of Luck would catch up with me.....

Besides, the vow of poverty, we ate like kings at Bethel compared to a lot of the starving massess of african brothers. In 1985 or 1986 (I can tremember exactly) I think it was an International assembly (United in Worship /Integrity keepers ????) and some of the delegates from USA and Europe were so shocked by the state of the convention toilet facilities and food (60000 people and about 4 blocked toilets etc etc I think they didn't expect witnesses to be so broke.. I specifically remember a German chap who was so cheerful on the bus ride to the convention..sing along..until he saw the toilets..next day he packed up and went home ................on the other hand ........Plenty money went to the luxury apartments of the local bethel translators and branch overseers....one even had a new merc.

So why were we broke back then ??? ...because we were suckered into believing the end was imminent and we would all be eating juicy fruits and have beautiful houses just like in the PE book ! The more feild service you could do the better !!

What a bunch of suckers we were back then !

Thank God I converted from the WTBTS poor economic policy to Capitalism...otherwise I'd be middle aged standing at an intersection with a cardboard sign begging for pennies.....you see you just don't get rich selling those boring mags !

MO MONEY TO YA ALL

Nadsam

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What first gave you doubts ?

by rick1199 in

we all know the big problems with the wts, but what was the first thing that made you realise there were problems with the organisation ?

with me it was realitivly small stuff like an 8 year old getting baptised and a comment my best mates made about another of our friends asking if we should be hanging round with her as she might be bad assciation (she had just been reproved, but they had been mates 20 years).. .

how ever the first time i ever thought something was really wrong was when i was about 11 and my grand farther died, and mu mum wouldn't go to the funeral, i remeber thinking that surely it was better to say good bye properly than worry about if the service was in a church.. .

Nadsam

Please forgive my rant in advance (((Simon))) >>

I entered bethel service very young (age 18) and soon started to realize that all the high and mighty brothers and sisters were fakes...but this didn't turn me yet (jedi talk) !

It seems I had to experiance the real evil of the WTBTS as an adult witness and only after waisting 30 yrs of my life in their stench of hypocrisy....

My real eye opener was years later after I had married, served many years as a pioneer, seved several years as a religious objector (military/prison) ,Ministerial Servant, Bethelite,Convention Overseer, Elder etc and when my work situation demanded long hours (economy went into a slump and because I had only basic schooling I had to work long hours just to survive) and this caused me to start to miss meetings, field service (I also had a group that I led) and I was struggling to meet my excessive Elder obligations I suddenly was branded as a weak and disloyal servant to the flock !!

If the Circuit Overseer could spit on me he would (HE ACTUALLY TOLD ME I WAS BEING MATERIALISTIC..THAT COMING FROM A FAT HIGH PRIEST KING OF FREEBIES LAZY DOG THAT HE IS...(pause to catch breath)...when I asked for kindness and understanding they eventually removed me from my position where I eventually told them to go and get f#ck*d after increasing harrasment and being screwed over by a fellow elder (business deal)....resulting in the long awaited announcement at the hall one thursday evening in 1993 that I was under reproof ,upon which I told the Circuit Overseer that he and the Congregation Overseer should also go and f#ck them selves after they did a pathetic "lets visit brother weak" attempt at my home resulting...therefore combination df'd/da'd (probably banned for life). Funny thing is my wife who was loyal to the WTBTS through all this was then branded as the "cause of my demise" they actually called her in to tell her that she's like Solomon's evil wives who stole him from Jehovah. Implying that she was wicked and had somehow sucked out my Watchtower mojo !

Thank God for that because that opened her eyes immediately too !

Anyways my wife and I since went to College/University and have a good ..happy..content life...free from the hell crap they call the "truth"

My advice to anyone waivering is...GET OUT NOW ..TODAY !

Best wishes to you all

Nadsam

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Rant over ! going to have a nice cigarette and toast some marshmellows over some nice fiery hot aid books and bound volumes. see ya.

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15th July WT ...Islam is the King of the North??

by caspian in

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friends

if this has already been posted, i apologise for repeating it.

in the july wt, the writers have come up with the new theory that islam is the new king of the north.

i haven't seen the article yet, .

Nadsam

URGENT NOTICE ! BREAKING NEWS !

I just hung up the phone . One of my secret "apostate underground contacts" inside the writing block said there is a lot of commotion at Branches around the world....apparently someone left a copy of Nostradamus' prophecies in the library and it somehow landed into the "acredited" pile (with Hislop and such) and was used as basis for the "New Light" !

Expect the following release at conventions around the world...Nostradamus Revealed...to be used in all book studies as of 1 October 2004 in anticipation of 2012's asteroid and the second coming of Noah's flood in 2034 when all will be taken to mars on the mothership of Elijah ! All Apostates are encouraged to rethink their stance and immediately return to Nostradamus' Witnesses.

Nadsam...greatful to break the news and deliver "New Light"

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Proof There is No Jehovah

by new light in

if you believe in jehovah as portrayed in the bible, you believe that you are a creature possessing free will.

you don't believe in fate or predestination.

you believe that jehovah selectively answers prayers.

Nadsam

is there a God............WHO CARES !!! hehehe

Nadsam FREE WILL GOT MY VOTE

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Recycled Garbage !!!

by Nadsam in

i met a ex-jw this week who left the borg 20yrs ago.

his kid was a hemophylliac and needed frequent blood transfusions etc.

fortunately his child grew into a rather normal adult with the aid of modern medicine.

Nadsam

Probably not..hehehe ..he was wearing a suit thats probaly 30yrs old (original bellbottoms)

Nadsam

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Recycled Garbage !!!

by Nadsam in

i met a ex-jw this week who left the borg 20yrs ago.

his kid was a hemophylliac and needed frequent blood transfusions etc.

fortunately his child grew into a rather normal adult with the aid of modern medicine.

Nadsam

I met a EX-JW this week who left the borg 20yrs ago. His kid was a hemophylliac and needed frequent blood transfusions etc. Fortunately his child grew into a rather normal adult with the aid of modern medicine. Thats really a blessing !

The sad part of it is that this guy started his own religious sect called something like " United Way Truth Ministries" or something like that...a kind of "big tent" revival religion. He bases all his teachings on the WTBTS literature and openly uses the Paradise on Earth book on stage and the United in Worhip book and Reasoning book. He's managed to recycle the JW garbage and has about 300 followers..not wacky cult stuff but he tries to preach Witness theology. I asked him why ?? He told me that he accepts the "truth" but not the teaching on blood (obviously his personal life needs/experiances) but remains adamant that the 144 000 blah blah blah blah....

Unbelievable!

What is it with this cult... even in the recycled perversion of this garbage , still they trap people !

Nadsam.....believes garbage shouldn't be recycle into even more garbage !

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High Insulin levels ?

by Nadsam in

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dear friends.

my doctor did a whole battery of bloodtests on me recently (i fainted/lost conciousness a week ago and was admitted to hospital with bloodpressure 195/110 and no i wasn't reading the watchtower at the time !

)...yesterday i got my results back.......all normal exept my insulin levels !!

Nadsam

Hey Danny...as long as they don't give me blood !...hehehe

Thanks for the info (better than all the WT questions from readers nonsense)

Cheers

Nadsam